Dear All
As further programs of Janakpur the Democratic Madheshi Society has decided to organise a mass ralley in Janakpur where people from all walks of life, Politicians, Social activists, lawers, doctors, engineers, enterprenuers, labourers, students, and general people have been requested to show their solidarity in the favour of the ongoing mass movement. Please find a copy of theminute herewith.
Er.Satya Narayan Shah
Janakpurdam-4
Cell:- +977 98510 04366
Phone: +977 1 4465729/2030068
Email: er.snshah@gmail.com; snshah@wlink.com.np
My (our) views about restructuring:
http://kantipuronline.com/kolnepalinews.php?nid=94314
http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=80799
http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=86167
I have no idea about Dixit's publication. Since many years (15 years
or so) I have been writing in the Kantipur and Kathmandu Post.
Will try to read your Constitution, seems too long.
srd
Surendra R. Devkota
Please, please do remove me from your mailing list.
I am sure you understand the value of respect and hope you will abide
by the self respect of not sending me any more emails.
please dont send any massage in this mail
Please remove from your list. This is my second request to remove from you list. Hope I don't have to request any more.
Thanks
Er.Satya Narayan Shah
Janakpurdam-4
Cell:- +977 98510 04366
Phone: +977 1 4465729/2030068
Email: er.snshah@gmail.com; snshah@wlink.com.np
My (our) views about restructuring:
http://kantipuronline.com/kolnepalinews.php?nid=94314
http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=80799
http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=86167
I have no idea about Dixit's publication. Since many years (15 years
or so) I have been writing in the Kantipur and Kathmandu Post.
Will try to read your Constitution, seems too long.
srd
Surendra R. Devkota
Please, please do remove me from your mailing list.
I am sure you understand the value of respect and hope you will abide
by the self respect of not sending me any more emails.
please dont send any massage in this mail
Please remove from your list. This is my second request to remove from you list. Hope I don't have to request any more.
Thanks
who the fuck u r???????????
jetha nepal ... aliennepal63@yahoo.com
u fuck ass hole
ta chikne indian dhoti muji nepal ko talai ke ko chaso ra nepal lai tukrauna khojchhas..
ta randi ko chhora muji tyo bihar ko randi ko chora hoina ta...
ta chikne USA basera k nai garna sakchhas chikne randi ko chhora....
ta muji randi vaalu le k nai garna sakchhas herumna.....
ta muji je payo tyahi mail arkako ma pathauchhasss......
ta chikne jasto lai ta saddam jasto jhundaera marnu parne ho..... ta chikne yaha nepal ma matra aaija na aja ko ajai tero laash matra hunchha aru ke pani hoina..
so that stop sending your fucking mail to other people.. u asshole fucking asshole suck my dick u upendra randi.. u r also royalist so suck gyane's huge dick u will be lucky to such his dick and lick komal's putti.....................and lick parase's asshole...........
la ta randi mail send garna stop gar.. ta karaera kehi hundaina
kaag karaudai garchha pina sukdai garchhaaa
Please do not send any more emails to this address, I get them at work as well, so i don't need them twice
Thanks
Hello Paramendra,
I have been following your blogs for quite a while now, and appalaud your
leadership to the madhesi peoples movement. Needless to say, the madhesi
demands are long overdue, and the current Nepali government should fulfill
them unconditionally right now. Fundamental rights like self governance,fair
and equitable share in governance and resources of the country, and equal
recognition and political status are such obvious truths it amazes me how
blind the Nepali establishment (read government) is not to see it.
On the issue of federalism, because Madhesis want a federal madheshi state,
they should get it. Same for janajatis. Janajati states will probably be
many and small in size as different janajatis might want to be in different
federal states. And federalism should probably be enacted with a lot of tact
to make sure marginalized groups or minorities currently residing in the
newly formed federal states have a mechanism for integrating into the new
state.
Federalism based on culture, language or race should be only temporary, I
think. Otherwise the country will remain divided for ever. If we have a
language/culture/appearance based federalism and people migrate to remain in
separate homogenous groups of their kin, Nepal will never really develop
economically or culturally for the world of tomorrow. It is only through
living among each other and interacting extensively with each other that
people will begin to see beyond their ethnic differences, and take a mixed
society for granted. Kind of like in the USA : the federal states doe not
represent any ethnic identity. But Nepal is not in that stage yet. The best
beginning is probably to divide and then unite as equals.
How should that happen ? maybe the currently proposed federalism should be
enacted for the next 50 years ( or 100 years ), and in that time we can hope
that all Nepalis will feel secure and fair part of Nepal, with the chance to
carve their own destinies without feeling prejudiced/insulted/unfairly
treated/marginalized/unrecognized. In the next 50 or hundred years, I also
believe the states will be poised to encourage/endorse exchanges of people
and ideas with the other states and begin to benefit from heterogenosity
rather than by remaining homogenous. Then in the next 25 years or so, I
think we will see the formation of true Nepal, as a country unified not only
geographically but in all ways.
I look forward to the day when Nepal could have federal states based on
parameters other than race, culture, language or geography, and still have a
united voice when negotiating with other Nepali states for resource sharing
or for big infra-structural projects.
For now, the immediate solution is just what the people want for now.
Madhesh state, pahad state, maybe more states. Central federal government.
State citizenships. State citizenship leading automatically to National
citizenships.
This is what I think. I am a Pahadi bahun ( hearing a lot of that phrase in
this blog). I support the madhesi movement for their rights. There have been
many instances in this blog asking why the pahadis are quiet. I cannot speak
for others, but for myself I have been quiet because I have been apolitical
all my life. Speaking out for a cause just doesn't come to me. And
especially in big agendas. Maybe it's a mix of a totally non political
pahadi bahun upbringing plus technology and science centered education
without courses on humanities. And my unsureness with my own language and
persuasive skills.
Justice then peace.
Ravindra Sapkota
Dear All
A protest program is being organized today at Mandala, Maitighartoday at 2
pm against Government's repressive policy and brutality and in support of
Madheshi Movement.
Come and express your solidarity with rural and urban people of Madhesh.
Madheshis are in the process of creating their own history! They need your
voice and strength!!
best,
Sarita Giri
on behalf of "Brihad Madheshi Ekta Abhiyan"
Karmaji. That was just a draft letter. That letter will not be sent unless all names listed agree to it. That was just a sample letter. And yes, any expression of support to the Madhesi Movement by the GFIPN will be appreciated. Thanks.
----- Original Message ----
From: "karmaflush@aol.com"
To: paramendra@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2007 1:50:51 AM
Subject:
Dear paramendra Ji,
I am agree with you,but please when you submitt those letter to Pm through Misson,you
supposed to give us som information,I saw that you mention My Name and the name of oganization,if board members asked me the question than I don't have no answer,and let us know you have to write a letter in the name of GFIPN,that makes us easy,please donot mention my name and organization name,because this organization is not my personal organization thatwhy board metting will decide about this matter,Thank's
this is sanjeev from boston. the discrimination is the real cancer. cancer kill personally but this cancer is killing all nepal.the nepaleese goverment has to finish this cancer. but they are still making problem. they fired different plce in tarai and killed maney madeshi. if they are doing like that than it shoud make big ploblem for nepaleese goverment and nepaleese people. first they need stop firing in tarai, that may convert in civil war because madeshi are also living in pahar and kath. but nepal is a small country they donot need sepration and civil war.
thank's
dear this is sanjeev from boston this descrimination has to stop by nepaleese goverment otherwise keep doing when nepaleese govrment donot give madeshi freedom. we guies have to take our power which could not do our grandfath. if we do not finish this than our kids going to laugh about us and our ...........................................but we need power not a another countries. all tarai income has to invest in tarai not in kath.
Dear all,
Kindly unscrible from the group "googlegroup" in which I never been a
member.
Thank you!
Bhai Manandhar
-----Original Message-----
From: nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com
[mailto:nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Ram N. Sah
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 3:58 PM
To: nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com
Subject: [ND] Re: Discrimination against Madheshi and Change of Heart
Dear All:
Lalit may not have put his thought most diplomatically, but who needs the
diplomatic language when its purpose is to sugar-coat insincerity.
Discrimination is a disease and people who practice discrimination are
sick/diseased. A great majority of the influential leaders of Pahade origin
in Nepal including current prime minister and leaders of congress, communist
and other parties, and have either lived in or grew up in Madhesh. Through
out their lives, these leaders have been not only a part of the power that
discriminated Madheshi and other communities of Nepal but they were
personally involved in making policies that were discriminatory. These
leaders can not be trusted for building better future of Nepal. In my view
they have contagious cancer of unfairness, dishonesty and manipulation that
would not go away. These cancer-carrying souls must be isolated/removed
from power before they spread their disease to more.
Should Madheshi request for being treated like others in Nepal have required
struggle and sacrifice of over a dozen martyrs? Shouldn't the unalienable
right of equality be granted automatically to every Nepali including
Masheshis? Who would be against granting this unalienable rights to
Madheshi
and for what reasons? This question should be raised by every Nepali. Today’
s generation of Nepal must not rely on these sick leaders if they want to
build better Nepal. Let’s talk about ways of getting rid of these sick
people from power and bringing those in power who have vision and dedication
of
providing equality to all. Durable peace is not possible without equality
to all.
Please feel free to comment on my views.
With regards,
Ram Sah
Dear Shahji,
Namskar,
We all are observing the situation in Nepal and all
are very active here. We know our innocent brothers
and sisters are being killed and injured by bullets
on the name of Democracy for few people. I am sure
people are not going to tolerate such autocracy
anymore. We all Madhesis wherever may be are together.
We all are with cause of Madhesis.
Please update us.
Thanks,
Binod Shah
--- Rakesh Mishra
---------------------------------
dear Dr. sah
thanks for keeping us update....Are you going to
participate in that meeting....Pls try your best to
arrange it that people like you are there....here
whole madhesi diospora is agitated and active. Pls use
your links to spread it that we are with the people
fighting against pahare imperialism. People like
Rambaran will be thrown out of the political
sphere,.....we should not worry about them. Let us
just swear that we are with the people of
madhesh...This is a historic moment.....academic
wisdom doesn't work at those moments.
Thanks Bhagat jee for your update and information and contribution for new
nepal. I am shariong your thoughts to my broad networks also and they have
appreciated your efforts.
Pls delete my office address and just send me yahoo only which you are
doing. I will not be anymore using this office email id.
With best regards,
Govinda P. Neupane
Grants Manager
USAID/ARD Inc Rule of Law Project
Manbhawan-20, Lalitpur, Nepal
Phone- 555-5557/8/9
During the Madhesi people's Movement in Nepal , at least 25 people are killed and move than 500 are severely injured. Among them, in Janakpur the 1st pictures is of Rajesh Thakur and the second picture is of Shiv Shankar Yadav.
In order to get the real information and to know about, the Human Rights of Terai area, Madhesh Human Rights Association has been formed. The members are Satya Narayan Shah (NGO), Vijay Dutta (Professor), Birendra Raman (Journalist), Bimal Mishra (Bar Association) and Neelam Karna (Civil Society).
Satya Narayan Shah
00977-41-523325
Please remove my yahoo ID from your distribution list
chij
KSA
Bro, I have been SICK of your shitty blogshit and what not . I do not want
to be inyur mailing list.
spare me. Please!!!!
Bro, I have been SICK of your shitty blogshit and what not . I do not want
to be inyur mailing list.
spare me. Please!!!!
Dear All
As further programs of Janakpur the Democratic Madheshi Society has decided to organise a mass ralley in Janakpur where people from all walks of life, Politicians, Social activists, lawers, doctors, engineers, enterprenuers, labourers, students, and general people have been requested to show their solidarity in the favour of the ongoing mass movement. Please find a copy of theminute herewith.
I want to unsubscribe this email id since I receive the same information in my other email.
Shiva
I want to unsubscribe this email id since I receive the same information in my other email.
Paramendraji,
Hope you are doing fine. Thanks for updating me on the political situation in Nepal.
By the way, do you read Asia Times online newspaper? I have noticed that there is a journalist (named Dhruba Adhikari) who regularly contributes to this electronic newspaper on the current political issues of Nepal. He presents a distorted picture of the India's role in the political and economic affairs of Nepal, whenever he touches this issue. And in his last article (which he published a few days ago), he tried to implicate India in the current, seemingly grassroot movement of Madhesias against the discrimination by the majority group. I think someone has to write a counter article, which paints the real, unbiased political situation pertaining to Madhesias in Nepal.
I would like to hear from you on this at some point.
Best wishes,
Jai Mehta
Paramendra ji
I think your being sarcastic here. By publishing a couple of opeds in
Kathmandu Post and Nepalnews.com does not make me an insider of
'bahun' media. CK Lal has published tons of article in Nepali Times
(and may in be other newspapers), but I am sure you would not write
him the sort of letter you wrote me. By the way my article was
rejected by Nepali Times.
But on the other hand if you are just teasing me in a friendly manner,
then same to you
I think your being sarcastic here. By publishing a couple of opeds in
Kathmandu Post and Nepalnews.com does not make me an insider of
'bahun' media. CK Lal has published tons of article in Nepali Times
(and may in be other newspapers), but I am sure you would not write
him the sort of letter you wrote me. By the way my article was
rejected by Nepali Times.
But on the other hand if you are just teasing me in a friendly manner,
then same to you
Shiva
Dear all,without any information Mr.paramendra jee,mention my name and organization. this organization is not my personal or individual,so we need a information before
submitting the name of organization,this is not a good way to make relation between
each other,please donot mention my name and the organization,because if the board members asked me some question about this,I don't have no answer,I don't want be in trouble,Thank's.
Bhupal
This is email thread that was started by Rakesh Mishra that has generated lot of good discussion. Please respond as necessary. I will send response as I have time. Thanks!
Hello All,
Recently, I was discussing my friend's cousin's wedding with her. During the conversation, my friend casually mentioned that she did not think the groom was a good match for her cousin. The reason being, because he is a 'madhesi'.
The marginalization of individuals and groups is sustained by such views held by individuals but the ideological structure is surely maintained by the state. The image of a Nepali wearing daura suruwal, dhaka topi and khukuri does not represent all of Nepali people.
Mr. Pokharel probes for reasons why the current movement in Terai has come about. Ideas such as the one's held by my friend is ingrained in non-madhesi populace of Nepal . The undertone of hatred has been widespread for many years. I think what is being displayed in terai now is a reflection of the same hatred madhesis have endured. I do not endorse violence but can imagine the appeal of it for any disenfranchised group wanting to be heard.
Everytime there is a challenge to the government, the hands of 'reactionary forces' are alluded to as being the cause. This was true during 1990 revolution, Moaist movement, April Janaandolan........ The rhetoric easily discounts the demands that are set forth by the people on the street. The construction of a Nepali identity in opposition to that of India so strong that we are easily swayed by the argument that we need to protect ourselves from India's influence at the expense of exclusion of one of our own.
The lack of appropriate steps taken by politicians while people are being killed is disheartening and is another example of how madeshi concerns are being ignored.
Srijana
On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:15:51 +0000 "sanat pokharel" wrote:
Hi Rakeshji!
First of all, opinions should always be welcome, don�t bother even if they are baseless. We don�t need to go farther than 1980s, if you have been watching the events since the democratic movements that led to referendum you will realize that all the movement started baseless at hindsight of the feudal force that tried to crush the people. I am not a supporter of vandalism and arson nor do I support terrorism. Those who know me personally know very well that what the Maoist did to me and how difficult time I had dealing with them and how I and my staff survived during the hardest time. That time Maoists were the alien for us but how we were treated by the royal forces during Gyanendra�s rule especially during the so called election prompted me to take the street like I did in 36 and 46 Sal�s andolan.
Earlier I thought Moaists deserved to be crushed and they can not fight even with the police but they defeated Royal army at many places. Later when I visited remote village I noticed that the Maoist movement not only had expanded but also brought awareness of people�s right that had been eluding the poor Nepali at least for last 250 years. So, the war proved to have solid base. The main cause of problem, the monarchy, needs to abolished.
I would not like to be called so but they call me �Pahade�, I have a stayed in the Terai and know about how the Madhesi�s are: they love Nepal as much as we do, if not more. This movement is not aimed at creating Terai as next Sikkim , in no way. If there is anyone who talks about a separating, he/she can not be a Nepali. But, asking for right is valid and when you have support that the terai movement is now getting, I feel there must some valid reason else, you can not continue longer. I am also hurt now, because I don�t know why the Madhesi movement had to come now? Where were they when the Maoist fought the war and feudal forces were crushing us? So, I see there is infiltration from the reactionary forces and may be some foreign hands but that is no excuse. It seems, the majority in the Terai feel that they have not been treated fairly then it must be true and they should get fair treatment.
But, I am in confision, why don�t they come to the talk-table when the Prime Minister has already called them? My opinion is Madhes should resort to solve the problem in peaceful manner, and solve everything at the table or from the Constituent assembly.
Finally, good thing is Nepal is headed for a federal republic set up, which is for sure.
Sanat
Dear Ms. Koirala
I am writing this mail in response to you article published on Nepal news. I, as a madhesi can not keep silent to your racially charged and mentally bankrupt propositions. I am also sending this mail to a group of my freinds so that they can have some idea of an "Enlightened " vision of a nepali educated(probably) and working in a free American society.
To start with, you try to justify the necessity of king citing example of Afganistan and Iran . Have you ever heard about brutality of Shah Pehlawi and aristocracy of Zaheer Shah. You still live in medieval age where brutal force was used to create and sustain nations. There are many examples like France ....and at least 50 other countries where monarchy was thrown out after world war two and those countries have fared well. This is not a question of who did what? Who is doing what...is more important in deciding the fate of any political and historical institution. I have no grudge against prithivi N Shah and I don't support vandalising his statue but I am equally opposed to the notion that a person, how much noble or whatever, can create a nation and sustain it. He was just a creation of time and space...nothing more than that ...nothing less than that.
You have spitted out all your venom against madhesi community. You are opposing Prachanda for labelling Upendra yadav, a thug and criminal but just to express your superficial anger at maoists, but in turn in your article, you are supporting the same tendency, send armed forces to terai....and crush this movement....Ms. Koirala , be sure its a solution which will be a "bomb" on terirtorial integrity(?) of Nepal. How come, you are asking Madhesis to ask about the reason of our exclusion from Army to Britsh and Indian governments? Do you think policies of Nepal government is guided by policies of Indian and Britsh governments? Tell the truth...what you think.
I will request all to whom this message is sent to respond.....and silence a hawks like you.......who are responsible for rise of separatist ideology in Madhesh. Just click reply to all button.....if u want or keep silent, and wait. If you don't like this mail in you mail box, let me know. I will never send them to your address.
Rakesh Mishra
State College
PA, USA
Rakesh Ji,
If they would like to take the tax exemption for the contributed fund
they can write check to ANTA since ANTA is tax exempt org. This is
just FYI.
Thanks
Regards,
Mukesh
Go to this link also
This is email thread that was started by Rakesh Mishra that has generated lot of good discussion. Please respond as necessary. I will send response as I have time. Thanks!
Hello All,
Recently, I was discussing my friend's cousin's wedding with her. During the conversation, my friend casually mentioned that she did not think the groom was a good match for her cousin. The reason being, because he is a 'madhesi'.
The marginalization of individuals and groups is sustained by such views held by individuals but the ideological structure is surely maintained by the state. The image of a Nepali wearing daura suruwal, dhaka topi and khukuri does not represent all of Nepali people.
Mr. Pokharel probes for reasons why the current movement in Terai has come about. Ideas such as the one's held by my friend is ingrained in non-madhesi populace of Nepal . The undertone of hatred has been widespread for many years. I think what is being displayed in terai now is a reflection of the same hatred madhesis have endured. I do not endorse violence but can imagine the appeal of it for any disenfranchised group wanting to be heard.
Everytime there is a challenge to the government, the hands of 'reactionary forces' are alluded to as being the cause. This was true during 1990 revolution, Moaist movement, April Janaandolan........ The rhetoric easily discounts the demands that are set forth by the people on the street. The construction of a Nepali identity in opposition to that of India so strong that we are easily swayed by the argument that we need to protect ourselves from India's influence at the expense of exclusion of one of our own.
The lack of appropriate steps taken by politicians while people are being killed is disheartening and is another example of how madeshi concerns are being ignored.
Srijana
On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:15:51 +0000 "sanat pokharel" wrote:
Hi Rakeshji!
First of all, opinions should always be welcome, don�t bother even if they are baseless. We don�t need to go farther than 1980s, if you have been watching the events since the democratic movements that led to referendum you will realize that all the movement started baseless at hindsight of the feudal force that tried to crush the people. I am not a supporter of vandalism and arson nor do I support terrorism. Those who know me personally know very well that what the Maoist did to me and how difficult time I had dealing with them and how I and my staff survived during the hardest time. That time Maoists were the alien for us but how we were treated by the royal forces during Gyanendra�s rule especially during the so called election prompted me to take the street like I did in 36 and 46 Sal�s andolan.
Earlier I thought Moaists deserved to be crushed and they can not fight even with the police but they defeated Royal army at many places. Later when I visited remote village I noticed that the Maoist movement not only had expanded but also brought awareness of people�s right that had been eluding the poor Nepali at least for last 250 years. So, the war proved to have solid base. The main cause of problem, the monarchy, needs to abolished.
I would not like to be called so but they call me �Pahade�, I have a stayed in the Terai and know about how the Madhesi�s are: they love Nepal as much as we do, if not more. This movement is not aimed at creating Terai as next Sikkim , in no way. If there is anyone who talks about a separating, he/she can not be a Nepali. But, asking for right is valid and when you have support that the terai movement is now getting, I feel there must some valid reason else, you can not continue longer. I am also hurt now, because I don�t know why the Madhesi movement had to come now? Where were they when the Maoist fought the war and feudal forces were crushing us? So, I see there is infiltration from the reactionary forces and may be some foreign hands but that is no excuse. It seems, the majority in the Terai feel that they have not been treated fairly then it must be true and they should get fair treatment.
But, I am in confision, why don�t they come to the talk-table when the Prime Minister has already called them? My opinion is Madhes should resort to solve the problem in peaceful manner, and solve everything at the table or from the Constituent assembly.
Finally, good thing is Nepal is headed for a federal republic set up, which is for sure.
Sanat
Dear Ms. Koirala
I am writing this mail in response to you article published on Nepal news. I, as a madhesi can not keep silent to your racially charged and mentally bankrupt propositions. I am also sending this mail to a group of my freinds so that they can have some idea of an "Enlightened " vision of a nepali educated(probably) and working in a free American society.
To start with, you try to justify the necessity of king citing example of Afganistan and Iran . Have you ever heard about brutality of Shah Pehlawi and aristocracy of Zaheer Shah. You still live in medieval age where brutal force was used to create and sustain nations. There are many examples like France ....and at least 50 other countries where monarchy was thrown out after world war two and those countries have fared well. This is not a question of who did what? Who is doing what...is more important in deciding the fate of any political and historical institution. I have no grudge against prithivi N Shah and I don't support vandalising his statue but I am equally opposed to the notion that a person, how much noble or whatever, can create a nation and sustain it. He was just a creation of time and space...nothing more than that ...nothing less than that.
You have spitted out all your venom against madhesi community. You are opposing Prachanda for labelling Upendra yadav, a thug and criminal but just to express your superficial anger at maoists, but in turn in your article, you are supporting the same tendency, send armed forces to terai....and crush this movement....Ms. Koirala , be sure its a solution which will be a "bomb" on terirtorial integrity(?) of Nepal. How come, you are asking Madhesis to ask about the reason of our exclusion from Army to Britsh and Indian governments? Do you think policies of Nepal government is guided by policies of Indian and Britsh governments? Tell the truth...what you think.
I will request all to whom this message is sent to respond.....and silence a hawks like you.......who are responsible for rise of separatist ideology in Madhesh. Just click reply to all button.....if u want or keep silent, and wait. If you don't like this mail in you mail box, let me know. I will never send them to your address.
Rakesh Mishra
State College
PA, USA
Rakesh Ji,
If they would like to take the tax exemption for the contributed fund
they can write check to ANTA since ANTA is tax exempt org. This is
just FYI.
Thanks
Regards,
Mukesh
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