Monday, January 29, 2007

Madhesi Movement Invites The Dalit, The Janajati, The Mahila

The ongoing Madhesi Movement is the April Revolution, part 2. This is the January Revolution or, more accurately, the Maghe Kranti.

The Pahadi Bahun Male establishment is showing no signs of relinquishing, kind of like Gyane on day seven or 10 of the April Revolution.

Step one would be for the Home Minister to resign.

Step two would be for the Koirala regime to meet the basic demands in a televised speech.

And then there can be talks.

Republic now.

Federalism now.

205 constituencies of equal population. Now.

Citizenship papers for all Madhesis. Now.

Now. Before the talks.

Nahin to Madhesh ke pratyek sarkari office ke board par Nepal Sarkar mita ke Madhesh Sarkar likh di jayegi. The Madhesi Movement will do it on its own.

The royal regime killed on average one person for every day of the April Revolution. The Koirala regime is killing on average one person for every day of the Maghe Kranti.

At this rate Koirala is going to have to resign.

Kind of like Gyane relinquished power.

Koirala has been proving on a daily basis that he is simply incapable of seeing the genuine demands of the Madhesi people.

The Madhesi Movement is a social justice revolution. This is the time for the Janajati to come out of their closet. This is the time for the Dali to come out of their closet. This is the time for the women to come out of their closet.

The time is now. It is not tomorrow, it is not a month later. It is today.

The Dalit will have to think in terms of a mass conversion to Buddhism. The Hindu caste system can not be reformed. It is time for a divorce.

The Janajati will have to come out saying we want federalism, and we want it now.

The women are going to have to come out for their 33% reservation.

The Pahadi Dalit, Janajati and Mahila are going to have to overcome their anti-Madhesi prejudices and they are going to have to join the Madhesi Movement. The time is now.

All Janajati groups need to come out into the streets.

All the women's organizations affiliated with the political parties are going to have to break ranks with their respective parties if necessary, and they are going to have to join ranks.

If Koirala does not make way in a few days, he is going to have to be pushed off the throne. This government is going down. He is losing his kursi.

The Madhesi Movement welcomes the Dalit, the Janajati and the Mahila to the social justice revolution.

Welcome to the Maghe Kranti.

Yo Sadak Timro Ho.
Ye Sadak Tumhara Hai.


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The Ball Is In Girija's Court: A Response To Pramod Kantha

For Pramod Kantha, a personal friend, an active member of ANTA, and otherwise a vocal proponent of Madhesi rights, to suggest that somehow the mistake being made is in the style of the Madhesi Movement blows in the face of the Madhesi Movement.

I will be the first to admit the Madhesi Movement has not been neat and clean. I wish the protestors marched in the streets, and never on the sidewalks. I wish they started at 10 in the morning, and not five minutes earlier. I wish they ended at 5 PM, and not five minutes earlier. I wish kurta pyjama were mandatory for every protestor. I wish they had formed lines, rows of three. I wish they had marched to the tune of some music band, to drumbeats. I wish they had all chanted about five basic slogans approved by the Madhesi Movement Coordination Committee, something that does not exist.

But this is a time to take sides. Either you are with the Madhesi Movement or you are against. This is not a time to dillydally. The Pahadi establishment has not changed one bit. They continue to look for Madhesis who will hurt the Madhesi Movement. Temporarily they seem to have found one in Pramod Kantha, I am sorry to say.

There have been a few cases of arson, sure. A few buildings have been vandalized. But I did not hear Pramod Kantha protest the same in Nepalgunj the last week of December. And there is a difference. When the state unleashes state terror, when the state breaks the law, when the state actors participate in a racist mob attack, that is a whole different ball game. That is a double crime.

How many Madhesis has the Pahadi police killed? How many hundreds have been injured? Does Pramod Kantha know? I get daily reports from Janakpur of bullets strewn on the streets of Janakpur? Bullets of the Pahadi police fired on the Madhesi protestors. Jalliabala Bagh mein bhi yahi huwa tha. Is Pramod Kantha aware of this?

I am against violence. The state violence has to stop. I am against violence. The Maoist violence has to stop. And I urge the Madhesi activists to make extra effort to make sure all our acts are non-violent, which has been the case for 99.9999% of the time.

But to preach violence to the Madhesi Movement is to preach honesty to the theft victim. Look the other way. It is the Pahadi police that has been firing the bullets.

It took 19 days for Gyane to see the light. It has been over a week, and the Pahadis like MaKuNe and Girija and Prachanda and Deuba are nowhere close to seeing the light.

Was the April Revolution violent? Then the Madhesi Movement is violent too. Was the April Revolution disturbing? Then the Madhesi Movement is disturbing too.

Before the April Revolution, 1% of the country ruled over the other 99%. After the April Revolution, 20% of the country has ruled over the other 80%.

Before the Madhesi Movement 20% of the country has ruled over the other 80%. The Madhesi Movement will change that.

The Madhesi Movement invited the Dalit, the Janajati and the Mahila to join the Movement.


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Madhesi Empowerment Is Possible Through Peaceful Route

The best course for the people of Terai to resolve their grievances is that of negotiation and reconciliation.

By Pramod K. Kantha

Pramod K. KanthaThe marginalized status of the people of Terai is visible everywhere in Nepal as well as abroad. The ongoing agitation in the Terai region should not surprise any one. It has been long overdue and one should be grateful for the patience with which the Terains have endured the flagrant violation of their basic citizenship rights and denial of their basic human rights through systematic and institutionalized discrimination by the state. Defensive reaction to what is happening there will not be helpful. Dismissing the demands of the Teraians as being externally driven and inspired by misguided elements will also be only counterproductive. Instead, the national leaders (unfortunately, all of them are Pahadis!) must demonstrate their sincere appreciation of the aggrieved feelings of the people of Terai region and reassure them of their sincerity to work to resolve the underlying problems. The psychic disconnect can not be bridged without sincerity and commitment. The onus is on the national leaders to prove that this can happen.

I remain convinced that the best course for the people of Terai to resolve their grievances is that of negotiation and reconciliation. Violence will only widen the gap between the Pahadis and Madhesis leaving both the communities poorer and more anguished. Nepal has just started its journey away from the decade long trauma and devastation caused by violent course. Continuing disorder and violence will also allow room to those driven by their vested interests to aggravate the situation and advance their nefarious ends. At this critical juncture, Terai is, indeed, the soft underbelly of the ongoing political transition in Nepal. Continuing chaos and disorder

in the region can truly jeopardize the peace process that has made remarkable progress over the past year. Every Nepali has a serious stake in making sure that the country completes the ongoing transition to full fledged democracy that embodies freedom and the rule of law as the guiding principles. The plight of Madhesis today is a direct result of decades of malignant political practices perpetuated by an autocratic regime. No one needs democracy more than people who have been traditionally oppressed and marginalized. One has just to look across the border at India to see the difference that democracy can make. One would not be that far off the wall in suggesting that even the current political assertiveness of the Terai people is made possible by the political opening obtained by the April revolution and consequent peace process.

Unfortunately, the unrest in the Terai reinforces the adage that squeaking wheels get the grease. In that sense, one can understand the pleasant tickle that many Teraians feel at the attention that the protests are drawing to the genuine but long neglected grievances of Madhesis. Within months, if not weeks, the Madhesi People’s Rights Forum (MPRF) has risen into national and international limelight. It does have a lot of work to do. However, people of Terai should not expect overnight transformation of realities on the ground. The leaders of ongoing political transition deserve benefit of doubt and one should take their pledges to address the grievances of Terai people sincerely and allow them to demonstrate through their action that they mean what they say. The MPRF and the two factions of the Janatantrik Terai Mukti Morcha (JTMM) should immediately join the government leaders in finding a peaceful way out. The people of Terai must show their fitness for democracy by pursuing a peaceful and persistent course of action to achieve their objectives. In return, the government must refrain from using force against peaceful protests lead the process of change.

Nepal’s political leadership has recently shown remarkable astuteness in the art of accommodation and reconciliation. With respect to Terai, however, the learning curve leaves a lot to be desired. The people of this region have not been taken into confidence during the ongoing transition and they remain outside the mainstream of Nepali politics.

The Nepali state, including the police, the army and the political leadership of all major political parties are in dire need of what could be called “extreme makeover.” They need to look more like Nepal and reflect its diversity. Populated overwhelmingly by the same kind of people connected with each other with multiple reinforcing bonds of caste, kinship and shared privileged status, the higher echelons of government and political leaders of Nepal will find it hard to overcome deep seated doubts by “others” over their neutrality and sincerity.

Yet, sincere efforts must be made to achieve order and democracy. The challenge is a daunting one and the failure to tackle it will be disastrous. The charges of complicity of security forces in perpetrating deliberate brutalities against the Madhesis in Nepalganj must be investigated fairly and the report must be made public. The government must severely punish those responsible to deter such future behavior. The same should be done for other situations (Lahan, Janakpur etc). Nepali leaders should also live by their own democratic profession and accept population as the basis of representation; it is people that need to be represented not mountains and trees. National political parties must field candidates whose ethnic, cultural and linguistic profiles closely represent their constituency. All the demands of the Terai people must be given fair consideration.

(The author is an Assistant Professor of Political Science at Wright State University in Dayton, Ohio, USA. Can be reached at pramod.kantha@wright.edu)

In The News

Eight parties discuss Terai crisis: Tuesday’s meeting to come up with 'create decisions' NepalNews "The need at the moment," he said, "is to rise above the caste and regional lines and live in harmony." “More than Pahades (hilly people) and Madhesis, we are Nepalis.” ..... the concerns over continuous attacks on government installations, houses of political leaders and independent media by the protesters ..... the decisions of the meeting of the UML Standing Committee ...... condemned the violence and stressed that the crisis should be resolved through dialogue ....... has claimed seven lives till date. ...... the demand to amend the interim constitution to incorporate proportional electoral system on the basis of population for the upcoming constituent assembly polls and a federal system.
Terai situation will be under control within few days, says Home Minister
Tripathy resigns amid Terai crisis Minister for Industry, Commerce and Supplies Hridayesh Tripathy, on Monday, tendered his resignation to the Prime Minister through chief secretary Dr. Bhoj Raj Ghimire ....... Tripathy is a general secretary of Nepal Sadbhavana Party (NSP-Anandidevi), which had already petitioned to the PM threatening to pull out from the government unless the latter fulfilled the genuine demands of Terai protesters. ...... the Madhesi Janadhikar Forum (MJF) has been launching protests since last two weeks demanding amendment in the interim constitution to usher in federal structure of state as well as delimitation of electoral constituencies based on population. ....... The NSP-A, too, had noted down its note of dissent on these agenda when the interim constitution was promulgated.
Janakpur, Birgunj and Kalaiya under curfew The administration in Janakpur has announced 8 am till 9 pm curfew on Monday. Reports say protests are still going on in Janakpur. There were also said to be overnight protests there. ..... Demonstrations are also being held in parts of Mahottari
Terai unrest derails business and trade
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Madhesi Empowerment Is Possible Through Peaceful Route
Ministers, MPs to petition to the PM to fulfill Terai demands 53 MPs of the interim parliament representing the Terai region are going to submit their joint petition to the Prime Minister asking him to fulfill genuine demands of Madhesi people. ....... four ministers in the current cabinet who represent the Terai region – Hridayesh Tripathy, Mahantha Thakur, Prabhu Narayan Chaudhary and Dharma Nath Shah – have asked the PM to amend the interim constitution to address the demands of Madhesi people. ...... signatories including deputy Speaker Chitra Lekha Yadav and MPs Bharat Bimal Yadav, Matrika Prasad Yadav and Bijaya Gachhadar ...... have asked the PM to take initiatives to restructure the state on federal basis and reconstitute electoral constituencies based on population.
Eight-party meeting in afternoon to discuss Terai issue

Bam Dev Gautam, Sudip Pathak and Kishor Kumar Bishwas speaking at an interaction program

Sunday, January 28, 2007

Gagan Thapa On The Terai


तर्राईको तनावलाई अवसरमा बदल्नुपर्छ

गगन थापा

Why Are The Pahadis Quiet?

मधेसका केही जिल्लामा देखिएको तनाव र असामान्य स्थितिलाई विभिन्न कोणबाट नियाल्नु अनिवार्य छ । एकाङ्गी विश्लेषणबाट न मधेसको मुद्दा र तनावको चुरो ठम्याउन सकिन्छ न निरूपणको कार्यसूची तय गर्न सकिनेछ । राष्ट्रसंघीय प्रतिनिधि मार्टिनले जे भने सही भनेका छन् । यो आगो समयमै निभाउन सकिएन भने संविधानसभा निर्वाचन कार्यतालिका मात्रै भताभुङ्ग हुने होइन समग्र शान्ति प्रक्रिया अवरुद्ध हुन सक्छ । निश्चित रूपमा यो भग्नोत्साहको स्थिति हो, निरुपायको स्थिति भने होइन ।

सत्ता सञ्चालकहरू (यो परिभाषाभित्र माओवादीसमेत पर्छन) गम्भीर, प्रज्ञापूर्ण, दूरदर्शी र उदार हुन सक्ने, समाजको प्रतिपक्षीय चिन्तन र द्रुत परिवर्तनको आवेग बुझ्न सक्ने, समस्या र मुद्दाका भिन्न आयाम विश्लेषण गर्न सक्ने अनि प्रतिगामी पदचापको भद्दा आवाज सतर्कतापूर्वक सुन्न सक्ने क्षमता राख्छन् भनेचाहि मधेसमा हाल देखिएको हलचल र क्षुब्द वातावरण सम्पुर्ण अधिनायकवादी आकांक्षाहरूलाई सदाका निम्ति परास्त गर्न प्रयोग गर्न सकिनेछ ।

यसको निम्ति पहिलो र्सत राजनीतिक नेतृत्व सांघुरो राजनीतिक चिन्तनवृत्तबाट बाहिर निस्कन सक्नर्ुपर्छ । राजनीतिक अग्रगमनको कार्यसूची तय गर्ने सर्न्दर्भमा सात दल र माओवादीले जातीय, क्षेत्रीय, लैंगिक र अन्य असमानताविरुद्ध लामो समयदेखि संगठित रूपमा संर्घष गर्दै आएका समूहहरूप्रति देखाएको उदासीन व्यवहारप्रति कटाक्ष गर्दै हाम्रो आन्दोलनका सहयोगी एक विदेशी मित्रले भनेका थिए, नेपालको शान्ति प्रक्रिया हेर्दा यो 'फ्रेन्ड्स अफ गिरिजाप्रसाद र फ्रेन्ड्स अफ प्रचण्ड' बीचको प्रतिस्पर्धा, शक्ति बाँडफाँड र सहमति जस्तो लाग्छ । उनको संकेत सम्पूर्ण प्रक्रियामा बृहत् सहभागितालाई कुण्ठित गर्दा स्वामित्वको अभावमा अन्य समूह आफ्नो मुद्दासहित प्रक्रियाबाट बाहिर निस्केर अन्य उपलब्ध उद्योगद्वारा सहभागी हुने प्रयत्न गर्नेछन् भन्नेतर्फथियो । मधेसमा सल्किएको यो आगो र अन्य क्षेत्र र समूहमा बढ्दै गएको तनावलाई यो पृष्ठभूमिमा विवेचना गर्नु यथार्थपरक हुनेछ ।

जनव्रि्रोहको एउटा महत्त्वपूर्ण पक्ष, लोकतन्त्रको बृहत् मागभित्र सबै क्षेत्र, वर्ग र समुदायले आ-आफ्नो भिन्नै आकांक्षा र अपेक्षा पनि समाविष्ट गराएका थिए । आन्दोलनको आधार तयार गर्दा राजनीतिक नेतृत्वले लोकतन्त्र बहालीस“गै यस्ता उत्पीडनबाट उन्मुक्तिको उपहार प्राप्त हुने बचन पनि दिएकै हो । त्यसैले पनि यस्ता समूहले छुट्टै अस्तित्वको साथ राजनीतिक प्रक्रियामा सहभागिता अपेक्षा गर्नु र प्रारम्भबाटै आफ्ना मागको सम्बोधन थालनी हुने आग्रह गर्नु स्वाभाविक रूपमा लिनुपर्छ । तर समग्र प्रक्रियामा माओवादीको हतियार व्यवस्थापन मात्रै केन्द्रीय सवाल बन्नु आत्मघाती बन्न पुगेको छ । अनि माओवादीको सम्पूर्ण ध्यान भविष्यको राजनीतिक रंगमञ्चमा आफ्नो दलको ताकत कायम राख्नेमा केन्द्रित रहनु र अन्य दलले समाजमा अन्तरनिहित विषमताको भीषणतामा कुनै कमी नआए पनि आम मानिसको सामाजिक बजुद तुलनात्मक रूपमा फेरिएको नबुझी पुरातनशैलीमै आफ्नो दलीय विरासत जोगाउने प्रयत्न गर्नु यो समस्या सिर्जना गर्ने अर्को कारण बन्न पुगेको छ ।

हिजो मधेस शान्त देखिनु अमनचयनको अभिव्यक्ति थिएन, शक्तिविहीनताको भावनाको लक्षण थियो । लोकतन्त्रले सुतेकाहरूलाई जगाएको छ, हिजो शक्ति हत्याउनेहरूबाट शक्ति खोस्न उक्साएको छ । संगठित भएर उभिएपछि, चिच्याएर कराएपछि आफ्नो आवाज सुनिनेछ, हाम्रै आन्दोलन सिकाउको पाठ हो । हिजो पढाउने अनि आज किन पढिस् भनेर गाली गर्नु वाहियात हो झन् माओवादीले त यो सवालमा मुख फेर्न मिल्दैन । हिजो जातीय स्वायत्तता, क्षेत्रीय स्वायत्तताको नारा लगाउने अनि आज समानुपातिक प्रतिनिधित्वको मागलाई समेत उपेक्षा गर्नु राजनीतिक इमानदारी हुन सक्दैन । निश्चित रूपमा भावी नेपालको नक्सा संविधानसभाले कोर्ने छ, तर त्यो नक्सा कोर्ने ठाउ“मा सम्पर्ूण्ा समुदायहरूको सहभागिताको माग न्यायोचित छ ।

अन्तरिम विधायिका निर्माणमा राजनीतिक दलहरू उदार हुन सकेको भए सम्भवतः यसैले यस्ता समुदायको सहभागिता सुनिश्चित पार्थ्यो, अनि अन्तरिम विधायिका भीषण संर्घष र आमसहमतिको थलो बन्न सक्थ्यो । तर दलहरूभित्रको लोकतान्त्रिक प्रक्रिया ठप्प हुनु र समावेशीको आवरणमा दलीय नोकरशाही एकछत्र हावी हुनाले यो अवसर पनि गुमेको छ । अर्कोतर्फठूलो हल्लाले हलचल ल्याएपछि मात्र प्रभावित हुने नेपाली अधिराज्यको सनातन चरित्रबाट नेपाल राज्य पनि मुक्त हुन नसक्नु अर्को दर्ुभाग्य बन्न पुगेको छ । किन यो राज्य हावा चल्नुअघि र्सतर्क हुन सक्दैन - अथवा न्यूनतम हावा चल्न थालेपछि किन र्सतर्क हुन सक्दैन, हावाले पात झारेपछि मात्र किन यो प्रभावित हुन्छ - मधेसको संर्घषबाट गम्भीर भएर साझा मत निर्माण गर्ने निष्कर्षा पुगेका आठ दलका नेतृत्वले बेलैमा बुभmनर्ुपर्छ अन्य यस्ता धेरै विषय छन्, जसका सम्बन्धमा समय र्घर्किनुअघि नै आठ दलले उदार भएर साझा मत निर्माण गरेकै निको हुनेछ ।

तर्राईका जुन जिल्लामा अहिले अनियन्त्रित अवस्था बनेको छ, यी स्थानमा सांगठनिक हिसाबले दुइ ठूला दलहरू (नेपाली कांग्रेस र नेकपा -एमाले) र्सवाधिक शक्तिशाली छन् । यी दलको घोषित सहभागिता र नेतृत्वविना कसरी यत्रो हलचल उत्पन्न भएको छ - के यी दलले यसको गम्भीर समीक्षा गरेका छन् - के अझै पनि साँठगाँठ थप मजबुत हुनेछ - यसको परिणाम अधिकारको आन्दोलन, मुक्तिको आन्दोलन मुक्तिकामीको चाहना र योजनाविपरीत, षड्यन्त्रकारी साँठगाँठको पोल्टामा पुग्नेछ ।

दोस्रो सम्भावना सत्ता सञ्चालकहरूले तत्कालको राहतको निम्ति बलेको आगोमा पानी हाल्नेछन् । मधेसले जितेको देखिनेछ, तर यो केवल भ्रममात्र हुनेछ । यथार्थमा मधेसभित्रको सानो अभिजातीय समूहले मधेसको नाममा हाल भइरहेको सत्तँ बाँडफाँडमा दर्हो भाग पाउनेछ । यसले सम्पूर्ण मधेसलाई उत्पीडनबाट उन्मुक्ति दिने होइन, मधेसभित्रको सामन्ती सामाजिक अन्तरसम्बन्धलाई थप मजबुत बनाउनेछ, मधेसभित्रको जातीय, लैङ्गकि र वर्गीय विभेदलाई घनीभुत बनाउनेछ अनि सामाजिक न्यायको आर्थिक अवसरमा समानता, भूमिसुधार, लैङ्गकि समानताका संर्घषलाई कुण्ठित पार्नेछ ।

तेस्रो सम्भावना, मधेसमा सल्किएको आगोमा सबैखाले अधिनायकवादी आकांक्षा जलेर ध्वस्त हुनेछन् । आन्दोलनले प्रतिगामी षड्यन्त्रकारी, हिन्दु अतिवादी, विदेशी षड्यन्त्रकारी, सामन्ती र साम्प्रदायिक चिन्तन बोक्ने अभिजातहरूलाई पहिचान गर्दै र पन्छाउँदै व्यापक स्वरूप ग्रहण गर्नेछ । आन्दोलन शालीन हुनेछ, हिंसाको प्रयोग बर्जित हुनेछ, साम्प्रदायिक चिन्तन निषेधित हुनेछ, अन्य अधिकारमुखी आन्दोलनका भेल यही नदीमा मिसिनेछ । यो विराट आन्दोलनले दलहरूलाई यथास्थितिको धङधङीबाट मुक्त पार्नेछ, सम्पूर्णको सहभागितामा अग्रगमनको साझा कार्यसूची तय गर्दै हामी आफ्नै बलमा हाम्रो साझा नेपालको निर्माणमा सँगै अघि बढनेछौं ।

केवल याचना र कामना गरेर मुलुक तेस्रो सम्भावना तर्फ लम्कन सक्दैन । प्रत्येकले आ-आफ्नो भूमिका निर्वाह गर्नैपर्छ । दलहरूले मधेसलगायत अन्य समूहको मागलाई समष्टिगत रूपमा सम्बोधन गर्न अविलम्ब उनीहरूकै सहभागितामा अन्तरिम संविधानमा आवश्यक संशोधनको प्रक्रिया प्रारम्भ गर्नुपर्छ । संघात्मक संरचनाको आधार र स्वरूपको तय निश्चित रूपले संविधासनभाले गर्नेछ तर पनि केन्द्रीकृत संरचनालाई संघात्मक संरचनाले विस्थापित गर्ने अवधाराणात्मक सहमति कायम गर्दै, समानुपातिक प्रतिनिधित्वको सुनिश्चितताका साथ बलेको र बल्न सक्ने आगो निभाउनु अनिवार्य छ ।

फेरि पनि मुलुकलाई तेस्रो सम्भावनातिर डोर्‍याउने हो भने र्सवाधिक महत्त्वको भूमिका आन्दोलनकारी साथीहरूकै छ । तपाईहरूले आन्दोलनलाई जति अहिंस्रक र शालीन बनाउनुहुनेछ, प्रतिगामी चलखेललाई ध्वस्त पार्नुहुनेछ, सामन्ती र अभिजातीय स्वार्थलाई संगठित हुन निषेध गर्नुहुनेछ, अनि सबैभन्दा महत्त्वपर्ूण्ा विषय, साम्प्रदायिक सद्भाव भड्काउने तत्व र चिन्तनलाई नामेट गर्दै साम्प्रदायिक सद्भावलाई थप मजबुत बनाउनुहुनेछ यो मुलुक निःसन्देह तेस्रो सम्भ्ाावनातिर जानेछ । तपाईंहरूकै र्सतर्कता र सक्रियताले साम्प्रदायिक सद्भावलाई मजबुत बनाउनेछ, यी दलहरूले बुझ्न सक्दैनन्- इतिहासलाई सिरानी हालेरमात्र अब कुनै राजनीतिक संगठन बा“च्न सक्दैन । अबको राजनीतिक रंगमञ्चमा राजनीतिक शक्तिहरूको ताकतको निर्धारण केवल इतिहासले मात्र गर्न सक्दैन, यो त धेरै हदसम्म यिनले बोक्ने मुद्दाले तय गर्नेछ ।

काठमाडौंमा नेताहरू भन्नुहुन्छ, मधेसको आन्दोलनमा दरबारिया षड्यन्त्रकारीहरूको ठूलो घुसपैठ छ । मधेसको आन्दोलनमा, जनआन्दोलनले जमिनमुनि गाडिसकेका मर्ुदाहरूको क्रियाशीलताले यो तर्कलाई पुष्टि पनि गर्छ । तर के यो अनपेक्षित थियो र - आफ्नो गुमेको र्स्वर्ग फर्काउन, इतिहासले पन्छाउन लागेका तत्वहरू मधेसमात्र होइन प्रत्येक गौडा ढुकेर बसेका छन् । जहा“ आगो बल्छ यो तत्व घिउ हाल्न पुगिहाल्छ । त्यसैले समाधान आगोमा पानी हाल्नुमात्र होइन, प्रतिगामी नश्लबन्दी गर्ने राजनीतिक इच्छाशक्ति हुनर्ुपर्छ । जनआन्दोलनका दोषीहरूलाई दण्डित गर्नेतर्फहाम्रो उदासीनताले गाडिएका मर्ुदाहरू ब्यु“तिएका हुन् । कस्तो अध्ययन गर्दैछ ओलीको समिति - शान्ति प्रक्रियालाई एम्बुसमा पर्नबाट जोगाउने हो भने सरकार निरीह भएर दरबारिया घुसपैठको अलाप गरेर बस्ने होइन, षड्यन्त्रकारीहरूको जगै भत्काउनर्ुपर्छ । यो सरकारले रायमाझी आयोगको प्रतिवेदनले दोषी ठहराएका राजादेखि राजसेवकसम्मलाई दण्डित गर्ने साहस गर्ने हो भने घुसपैठ र षड्यन्त्रको शृंखलामा यहीँ पूर्णविराम लाग्नेछ । अपराधीहरूलाई खुला छाडेर अपराध नियन्त्रण गर्छु भन्नु हास्यास्पद हुनेछ ।

यो आन्दोलनको माग जति जायज छ, आन्दोलनको शैली त्यति नै नाजायज छ । भोलिको परिणामप्रति त्रास नभएपछि यस्तो शैलीले प्रोत्साहन पाउ“छ । दण्डहीनताको संस्कृति र यसको संस्कृत्रि्रति दलहरूको रक्षात्मक चिन्तनले संर्घषको हिंसात्मक स्वरूपलाई बैधता मिलेको छ । हिजोका अपराधहरूलाई दण्डको घेराभित्र ल्याउने हो भने भोलिको परिणामप्रति व्यक्ति र समुदाय त्रसित हुँदा मात्रै हिंसक र आपराधिक क्रियाकलाप रोकिनेछ । मधेसको आगोले कुनै एक दललाई कमजोर बनाउँदै आफ्नो शक्ति विस्तार गर्नेछ भन्ने चिन्तन कुनै पनि दलको नेतृत्वमा छ भने बेलैमा विगत फर्किएर हेरे हुन्छ । कुनै समय माओवादीको उपस्थितिलाई यसरी विश्लेषण गर्दा आ-आफ्नो स्थिति के थियो, विगतलाई केहीबेर नियाले मात्र पुग्छ ।

मधेसमा देखिएको यो भयानक तनावले यो मुलुकलाई तीन सम्भावनाको माझमा पुर्‍याएको छ । पहिलो सम्भावना, हाम्रो अक्षमता, अदूरदर्शिता र अपरिपक्वताले गर्दा प्रतिगामी षड्यन्त्रकारी, दक्षिणतिरका धर्मोन्मादी समूह र केही मधेसी अभिजातीय स्वार्थको विभेदरहित नेपाली समाज निर्माणको यात्रालाई मजबुत बनाउनेछ । हामी युवाहरू यो आन्दोलनमा सहभागी हुन चाहन्छौं, सत्तँलाई तपाईंको आवाज सुन्न बाध्य पार्न चाहन्छौं, केवल र्सतर्कताको खाँचो छ, प्रतिगामीहरूबाट सामन्ती साँठगाँठबाट, अतिवादीहरूबाट, साम्प्रदायिक सद्भाव बिटुल्याउनेहरूबाट । हाम्रो चाहना हो जय केही मधेसीहरूको होइन, जय मधेसको हुनुपर्छ, जय केही नेपालीहरूको होइन, सिंगो नेपालको हुनुपर्छ ।

Why Are The Pahadis Quiet?

स्रोत:कान्तिपुर


An Open Letter To Gagan Thapa
Gagan Thapa's Right To Free Speech
Gagan's Talk In New York
A Day In The Life Of Gagan Thapa
The Man, The Myth, The Legend: Gagan Thapa
Gagan Thapa October 22 Saturday 2 PM Columbia University
Gagan Thapa Talk In Boston: Two Hours Audio
Gagan Thapa US Tour
Gagan Thapa Amerika Tour
Renaming The Blog In Honor Of Gagan's Release
Gagan Thapa Released
Chargesheeting Gagan: This Regime Has Gone Berserk
Gagan Thapa Feels Unsafe In Jail
Gagan Thapa Case Taken To The United Nations
Gagan Thapa Arrested Again
Gagan Thapa Arrested, Deuba Re-Arrested

Gagan Thapa starts in a patronizing tone. He says the Madhesi Movement has been isolated in a few Terai districts. That is offensive. The Madhesi Movement has engulfed all of the Madhesh for a week now. All towns, all villages have risen up. Is that not obvious?

The just demands of the Madhesi Movement have to be met in their own right. They should not be met just so the constituent assembly elections can take place. The constituent assembly elections are the goal of the Madhesi Movement. This suggestion that somehow the Madhesi Movement aims to disturb the constituent assembly elections is offensive. The fundamental goal of the Madhesi Movement is to secure proportional representation in the constituent assembly elections. Can't you see?

The Madhesi understand the fundamental importance of the constituent assembly elections. It is from that very understanding that the Madhesi Movement has emerged.

Otherwise Gagan's critique of the peace process is apt. The whole thing has been too opaque, too cliquish. And that process has given rise to an interim constitution that is fundamentally offensive to the Madhesi, and so the Madhesi rose.

This uprising has put the Madhesi in the leadership position of the DaMaJaMa movement for social justice. We have the steering wheel now.

Gagan Thapa is one of the faces of the April Revolution. Me and many others like me in the diaspora were with him through thick and thin. He more than most people should be able to see that this Madhesi Movement is April Revolution, Part 2. He has not exhibited the guts to do so.

Gagan Thapa played a major role in the April Revolution, so did I. The difference is he is Pahadi, I am Madhesi. The Pahadi media in Kathmandu will publish his articles, it will not publish mine. They know me too well. Paramendra Bhagat, Convenor, Coordination Committee, Nepali Organizations In New York City. New York City, the city that never sleeps, capital city of the world.

My Role In The April Revolution: The Butterfly Effect

At some level Gagan seems to buy into the Pahadi propaganda that somehow the unrest in the Terai might be something to do with royalists and the like. The Madhesi Movement challenges the Pahadi establishment declare Nepal a republic now. I can't see how you can think this Madhesi Movement will somehow push back other progressive agendas, be that land reform, or gender relations. That would be like suggesting the April Revolution could have pushed back the causes of democracy and human rights. Just like the April Revolution has made the Madhesi Movement possible, the Madhesi Movement will make possible other movements in the Terai to do with more specific groups within.

Gagan talks about the actors of the Madhesi Movement as "they." That is honest. He is admitting he is Pahadi, and that the Madhesi are a whole different group.

It is not the Madhesi community's fault that this Koirala government has not brought to justice the villains of the April Revolution. Don't blame the Madhesi Movement for the lack of guts on your part. Declare a republic now. That is what the Madhesi Movement wants.

Gagan observes that the Madhesi Movement has caught fire in districts that have traditionally been bastions of the Nepali Congress and the UML. What Gagan is not admitting is that the Madhesi Movement will electorally annihilate those parties in those districts, come election time.


Dear Friends,
I just got information from Janakpur that There were
about 40-50 live gun shots at near the Janaki Mandir
only and other places unlimited shots.
Plenty of dead bullets were found on road.
Mr. Vijay Thakur from Ratauli or Banauli had gunshot
injury to his leg. He is in critical condition and
doctors are telling his family that he may need
surgery like amputation of his leg. Very sad.
About 80-100 people got injured by Police firing.
There was meeting of Human rights group in Janakpur
under leadership of Dr. Devendra Raj Panday and his 13
memebers team. Several Political Party's acticvists
participated in that 3 hr long meeting. They also
visited the different places in Janakpur and met
several local political leaders. Several political
parties have supported the genuine demand of
Teraibashi and they are going to rally in support of
it with demand of early and peaceful solution of
legitimate demands. UML and NC(D) are in favour of
supporting the demand and bring the procession in
Janakpur today.
NC is still unable to make any comment yet.
Lets pray for peace and early solution of problem.


> Good thinking. Can you say that after that as mentioned by you, in your
>statement, Nepal will be a peaceful country ? Can we live here peacefully
>? Is it possible that there will be co-ordial relations between all the
>Nepaleses ? Thanks for your good statement, which I studied.
>
> _______
>
>__________
> Dear all
>
>Terai is boiling inside and if the source of energy is not cut in time it
>will spill over and spoil all the efforts of Nepalese that we put together
>in last one year to build new nepal. I have been reading news and views of
>friends and could not stop myself writing few words.
>
>Its pity that another unrest has started in Terai region seeking some
>genuine demands like a federal state and a proportionate electoral system
>in
>the Constituent Assembly. Even Prachand, MKN and all mighty GP agrees with
>it. But i could not understand what is hindring them to commit to it to the
>people of terai through joint statement that they will ammend the interim
>constitution within few weeks time frame. It will certainly slow down the
>pace of demonstration to large extent if not completely. Majority of the
>Madhesi's will start beleiving the state and feel their ownership in the
>state. In contrast, the leaders are giving irresponsible statement
>regarding
>the involvement of royalists and hindu fundamentalist. Even Jwala singh and
>Goit faction of Moaoists will have to think twice before announcing any
>demonstration if those demands are met and if the state commit that other
>demands like inclusion in state functionaries will be met in next during
>interim or post constituent assemble election era.
>
>The basic fact is the political parties and leaders have lost their
>credibility with the people of Terai in due course of time and needs to
>renue their relationship as their servant and not as master. I am confident
>that the issues will be solved in few days and Terai will again be equally
>peaceful safe heaven to live in as other parts of Nepal.
>
>Thank you
>
>______


ROYALISTS FISH IN TERAI TROUBLE Calcutta Telegraph, India The April-2006 uprising in Nepal had three objectives: a peaceful resolution of the Maoist insurgency; an end to the king’s autocratic rule; and the restructuring of the Nepalese state.While the first aim of the popular uprising has virtually been achieved, it is the fate of the monarchy and the restructuring of the state, which continue to pose major political challenges. ......... Nepal’s Terai is on fire. There have been disturbances in Siraha, Saptari, Janakpur, Biratnagar, Inaruwa, Birganj, Rautahat, Bara and other districts of the Terai adjoining the Indian border. ....... The statues of the democratic movement — B.P. Koirala, Manmohan Adhikary and Ganesh Mansingh — are being deliberately targeted and damaged. In Rautahat, the ancestral house of Madhav Kumar Nepal, general secretary of the Communist Party of Nepal (United Marxist Leninist), was set on fire. There is police firing and dawn-to-dusk curfew in several towns. The grievances of the Madhesis are genuine. These Maithili, Bhojpuri and Awadhi-speaking Nepalese, who look, dress and talk like their neighbours in India, are often derisively referred to as “Indians”. They have been systematically excluded from the political process and till recently denied Nepalese citizenship. ........ Brahmins and Rajputs (Bahuns and Chhetris) from the hills dominate Nepal’s state and politics. Although the Madhesis officially comprise 35 per cent of the population, they are grossly under-represented in the political parties. ........ none of the parties have any Madhesis as their national office bearers. ...... The presence of Madhesis in their central committee or national executive is nowhere near adequate. Moreover, the national parties have tended to field non-Madhesi candidates from the Terai constituencies ...... Their district presidents in the Terai are mostly Paharis. The representation of the Terai in parliament is also lopsided because of the size of a constituency has no relation to the number of voters. In the hilly areas, there are constituencies with only 5,000 voters, while in the Terai, a single constituency can have over 5 lakh voters. ....... The Madhesis are also under-represented in the army, the police and in civilian administration. In the army, there are hardly any Madhesi commissioned officers. There are well-educated Madhesi doctors and engineers in Nepal but there is not a single Madhesi chief district officer in any of the 75 districts of the country. ....... fear that in the course of building a new Nepal, they may be left out once again ....... there is a lot of support among the people of the Terai for the struggle for Madhesi rights as well as other issues such as a unified Terai, land reforms, citizenship, increase in development aid and accountability for past discrimination. It is unlikely that these agitations will die down through police repression, as the issues that are being raised are not law and order problems. ....... Former schoolteacher, Upendra Yadav, a former activist of CPN (UML), leads the third group called the Madhesi Janadhikar Forum. ....... What seems clear to the Madhesis, however, is that if there is going to be power-sharing in the new Nepal, then they have to be accommodated in the constituent assembly. Their chance of making their presence felt in Nepal’s politics and gain fair representation in the administration and the political process is staring them in the face. .... It makes no sense for the Madhesi leadership to now push the royalist agenda. ...... Should the Terai be one province or three, based on language and ethnic differences? Should Nepalese federalism unite the Paharis and the Madhesis or divide them? The federal model Nepal chooses should unite the masses.

Anand Jha: Raising Dust At SEBS

Anand Jha: Slugging It Out At SEBS

Topic: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
680Anand 1/25/2007 11:06:52 PM EST
Thank you Parmendra dai for the excellent article:
http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2007/01/8-parties-need-to-declare-205.html



In April, there were no talks. There were basic demands. And when those demands were met, the revolution came to a halt. Same thing now. There are four basic demands.
  1. Citizenship papers to all Madhesis, not to 33 lakh but to 60 lakh.
  2. 205 constituencies based on equal population.
  3. Reserved constituencies for the DaMaJaMa.
  4. A fresh census before the elections.
Talks? What talks? The eight party coalition needs to come out saying they agree to the basic demands. And the street action will come to a halt. That is how you do it.

There is this disdain in the Prime Minister's invitation for talks. All problems will be solved by the constituent assembly. Don't you know? Are you stupid? That is the tone. That will not work.
There is also this disrespectful ignorance. Baluwatar is acting up. Girija is acting like he does not know why the Madhesis are out in the streets. The world knows, but Girija does not.

In April, the king kept inviting the eight parties to suggest a name for a new Prime Minister. That was the royal disrespect. The king kept suggesting the people are out in the streets because the filthy political parties want the kursi, and that is all there is to it.

Girija is doing a repeat performance. All the Madhesi leaders want is some chiyapan at Baluwatar. That is all there is to it. If he will offer tea, things will quieten down. Girija is the Pahadi Bahun supreme. Prachanda is his minion. Krishna Bahadur Mahara said yesterday, look what happens when we Maoist leaders step outside of Kathmandu for a few days! Mahara lives on another planet.

The Prime Minister needs to give a speech of concession like King Gyanendra gave a speech of concession. That is the only way the streets will calm down.

This is also a good opportunity for the Madhesi People's Rights Forum (MPRF) to change from being an organization to becoming a full-fledged political party. You have to ride this momentum. If this street action does not result in the four basic demands being met, it will have been in vain. If this street action does not result in a total electoral annihilation of the Pahadi parties from the Terai during the constituent assembly elections, it will have been in vain.

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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
junge 1/26/2007 10:23:21 AM EST
It is disheartening to see educated SEBSers who are blatantly racist. Madhesis are as Nepali as any of us, if not more. We have treated this significant portion of our country's population as second class citizens for too long and time for change has come. Anand dai, I support your view.
Like Yubraj dai wrote, I expected discrimination, as it happened in Nepalgunj a couple of weeks ago, to end after the popular April movement. Unfortunately it didn't, hopefull this new wave of protests will deliver justice to our Madhesi brothers and sisters. I just hope that and pray that we do not loose any more precious lives in the protests.

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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
shekhar mayavi 1/26/2007 12:39:43 PM EST
The survey team of Maoists have concluded that they cannot win more than 83 seats in the parliament
in the elections. So, in order to postpone the constituent assembly elections indefinitely the Maoists
have orchestrated the violence and protests in the south with the help of their sister groups. The
'shadayantra' is to let the situation get worse in Terai by the time the new government starts working
and then topple it in the pretext that it could not maintain law and order. Then the Maoists will
have BRB or prachanda become the next PM and declare Nepal a republic without elections. This way the Maoists
plan to show as if they are doing their best to fulfill the demand of Madhesi people and also achieve their party's
goal. Two birds with one stone.
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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
sebs 1/26/2007 3:32:16 PM EST
The tarai turmoil is spinning out of control, but the 7+1 parties are still treating it as just a law-and-order problem.

After five people were killed in unrest in Lahan, the violence and looting spread to Janakpur on Wednesday, Birganj and Biratnagar on Thursday.

The root of the crisis is deep, long-standing bitterness among the madhesi population. Discriminated against by governments in the past, they saw that they would be denied political representation in proportion to their numbers by the interim constitution too.

Exploiting this could be religious and royalist groups with powerful allies in a rabidly anti-Maoist Bihar government across the border. Many of the arsonists who went on a systematic rampage in central Janakpur on Thursday were not known to anyone.

Politics, ethnicity, and religion make an explosive combination. But the lesson is lost on the parties in Kathmandu. The Maoists find they cannot control the genie they let out of the bottle with their ethnic-based politics. They are making things worse by calling madhesi activists “criminals”. The NC and UML are using the tarai as an arena for vote competition in future elections.

The unrest in the tarai is now the biggest threat to the peace process just weathering its first storm on arms management.

It’s still not too late for a multiparty declaration by parliament to amend the interim constitution and meet genuine madhesi demands for proportional representation. It may not stop the violence—there is evidence it is being instigated—but it will help reduce the anger. There is no other way to tackle this.

Nepal is falling from the frying pan into the fire.

-KUNDA DIXIT

http://nepalitimes.com/issue/333/Headline/13144
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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
889Jay 1/26/2007 4:24:44 PM EST
I did not intend to offend anyone by referring to pahades as "so-called pahades". I apologize if it offended anyone as it was not meant to be derogatory in any way. Many people use the terms "pahadiya" and "madhise" as an insult. Personally I don't like the practice of distinguishing the Nepali population as Madhesi and Pahade. There are many Madhesis living in the hills and there are many Pahades living in the plains. Still, a Madhesi who was born and raised in Kalimati is still called Madhesi (as if that person were an outsider) while a Pahade who was born and raised in Janakpur is still called a Pahade (again, as if that person were an outsider). The terms Madhesi and Pahadi are divisive, and almost racist at times. Hopefully someday people will stop using these terms (or at least realize the meaning and context when they use the terms).
Anyway, at this moment I guess there are no other terms that can properly substitute Madhesi and Pahade.
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Re: Why it is necessary to drive all the Indians out of Nepal.
abcd 1/26/2007 4:34:30 PM EST
You know what?
Madhesis should start a different kind of strategy. This one only brings hatred among Nepalese.
The best strategy would be to start a propaganda, some Hoax like Hritik kanda but against indians.
I personally believe that if madhesis can fight against indians, do some chakka jam and stuff, protest against India. Kill some indians who are looting Nepal. Chase away those who illegally own land in Nepal. other Nepalese will like it. With this, you will win the sentiment. This would show the public that you are more loyal to the land you grew up.
From the childhood, Nepalese are taught that whoever fights for the country is a great person. Even using propaganda, if an american fights against foreigners for betterment of Nepal, every Nepali would like it.
I totally disagree with the present style of protest as it makes me think more about the differences than commonness. The power people get through killing and violence doesnt win the heart of the people and the madhesi issue is more a moral issue than the administrative/political.
Nomatter how good madhesis might be represented in the government, if they do not win the heart and sentiment of the pahadis, they will be discriminated.
When you read the history of Nepal, it was all the Pahades who fought for Nepal. It was pahades who protected the sovereignty of Nepal. Probably it is the reason pahades are more sentimental when it comes to protecting Nepal.
धेरै छ गर्नु स्वदेश को सेवा नेपाली बन्न्लाई
शिर ठाडो पारी नेपाली भन्ने म नै हु भन्नलाई
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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
680Anand 1/26/2007 4:55:24 PM EST
It is really funny how everyone is interpreting the unrest to their advantage. The Maoist accusing the royalist, and the royalist accusing the Maoist and political parties treating as law and order problem. However, I must say, its encouraging to see quite a few Budhanilkantha students treating it rightly as an issue of massive discrimination that has existed for so long. This was sort of a pleasant surprise.

Where did Krishna Pahadi go? He was always there with his yellow uniform talking about human rights issues? . I actually believed his fight for "inclusive" democracy was genuine? What about other human rights and civil society fellows?


It is indeed the anger of discrimination and alienation that Madhesis have felt for so long thats erupting. It was long overdue and the current environment provided a suitable platform. If this thing anger is not gonna get any outlet, the unrest will only get worse.

I, for one, remain optimistic. Here is why:

1) First , by an large, Nepalese are tolerant people. Tolerant of other cultures and religion and so on. History has shown that. 14000 deaths in maoist rebellion is not that bad, if you comapre it to other countries.

2) Second, the political parties are cornered quite bad. The inherent bias of Phadi human rights advocates may not have got it yet....but the international human rights agency have all been saying that its discrimination of Madhesis. Even the new secretary general of UN said it! Girija needs to make concession in Public Television or witness a Baluwatar gehro andolan soon.
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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
680Anand 1/26/2007 5:04:02 PM EST
abcd,
before you talk about throwing out Indians from the crowd, why don't you talk about addressing the discrimination that Madhesis face. The Nepal government needs to accept publicly that massive discrimation has existed and the new government is willing to undo it. They government has to respect to this demand that virtually everyone is saying is genuine. Lets see if the violence stops after doing that. I think it will stop right there. If not, that surely a better strategy than trying to spot who are the thugs from India in the crowd and sending them back to India.
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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
542B Rahul 1/27/2007 1:59:15 PM EST

Any responsible citizen of Nepal would agree that Madhesis are being discriminated against. Be it in legislative, judiciary, executive, army or police, there has not been proportional representation at all.

It doesn’t take a genius to see where the problem lies. Nepal is centrally controlled by handful of Kathmandu-Pahades who have been un-responsive to the needs of people outside the valley; be it terai or other hilly regions of the country. Today terai people are fighting for their rights. I wouldn’t be surprised if tomorrow pahades from east and west hilly regions stand up for their rights, somewhat like what Maoists did.
I am not a political expert, but the solution to this problem is to give regional autonomy somewhat like federal system. Power should be divided into central governing body and provinces.
This is similar to the principle agent problem where the agents “shirk” when not enough incentives are given. If the regional provinces are not represented proportionally, their cultures and identity not supported and recognized, their voices not heard, and denied basic rights to a decent school and hospitals, guess what, the “principles” are in a dire problem.
It is not true that Pahades and Madhesis can’t commingle. It would be a mistake if this is taken as a communal problem. This is purely a political problem.
I am not for affirmative action. If people are given regional autonomy, then local development work will thrive, people will be productive and should be able to compete for any legislative, judiciary, executive jobs in the country.
The concerns that madhesis have are genuine and should be addressed immediately. It shouldn’t be swept under the rug or discarded as propagandas by “external elements”.
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Re: Why it is necessary to drive all the Indians out of Nepal.
$$@ 1/27/2007 2:12:45 PM EST
first of all. let me make this clear. iam not a racist or nationalist(in the racist sense).when we say bad about the other (race or nationality) its biased.racism.nationalism(bad nationalism and not deshbhakti type). but when we are biased and tell good of us. brag to the extent that it holds no truth. isnot that similar to racism? or nationalism? how can it be justified that sebers represent intellect group of nepalis. is it not the worst form of racism. sebers represt intellects. non-sebsers represent dumbies.(it implied ) and do you believe intellect is correlated to education? or bnks education? maybe its time you think about it.another thing. pahadi is sebsers,no matter how morally sick ,he represents sebsers,maybenot the big pie.but certainly he represents sebers. you cannot generalise everything.donot generalise everything.
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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
$$@ 1/27/2007 2:36:24 PM EST
error,i apologise.it was ment to be posted in the other forum. i will re-post it there.ya the issue madhesi are upto needs to be addressed properly and peacefully.
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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
680 Anand 1/27/2007 3:48:39 PM EST
Phade,

Lets not forget that Upendra Yadav was arrested when he was protesting non-violently.

Lets not forget that a kid got killed in Lahan from a gun shot from Maoist cadre.

No one saw any bullets flying from India or an Indian or from a royalist supporter or a hindu fanatic.

I am not a supporter of Bardi Mandal and I am a not a Hindi fanatic. But i do support the Madhesis fight. There are many people like me.

Please check out the interview of Goit:

http://dl01.blastpodcast.com/bhagat/16232_1169862902.mp3

Goit argues why Terai should a separate country. I do not think he has many supporter at the moment. I would prefer to a part of Nepal rather than be a national of a new country, but trust if people like yourself don’t change your mindset and this bull shit argument that it’s Indians and royalist creating problems continues for too long, the agenda for separate country will take lead.

Sadly the majority of our leaders in Nepal have similar mindset like you do and they still don't get it! Or maybe, they choose not to get it, because they are just so scared by the possibility of losing all the privileges that they taken for granted for so long.

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Re: Why it is necessary to drive all the Indians out of Nepal.
Topaz 1/27/2007 4:07:56 PM EST
I agree Madheshis are discriminated but I don't agree with the phrase 'pahadis discriminating madheshis'. Why is such a generalized phrased used? There are millions of Pahadis discriminated by others. Has a dalit settled in terai been able to discriminate madheshis? have some tribal peoples like chepang settled in rautahat and nawalparasi discrminated madheshis? Hundreds of thausands of pahadis from four western most zones (Bheri, Karnali, Seti, Mahakali) flee to India during femine season every year. Have they ever discriminated madheshis? When one travels east from mahendranagar one realises increasing difference between pahadies and madheshis. Yes madheshis in western 4 districts(Kanchanpur, kailali, Bardiya, banke) are not well treated by others but who are those have you realised? Its the people settled from eastern hills ( Rapti zone and east). Pahadiyas from west are so different from pahadiyas from east. Only thing they share is hills. They have different language, different tradition, and have been the victim of discrimination themselves. Why should these pahadiyas be blamed for madheshis problem. F*** to those who say Pahadiyas discriminating Madheshis. Its only some people from eastern hills (rapti zone and east) who should be blamed.
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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
bye 1/27/2007 4:09:01 PM EST
there are two issues to look into here:

1. obviously madhesi rights. it is more than true that they have been massively overlooked all these years. while four demands CAN NOT be met immediately. but as government changes it's attitude and starts listening to the voices, it should be a case t that compromises and substantial changes can be seen

2. and this specially goes to people like Anand and Paramendra. while being overwhelmed by all these protests, I am very scared of the fact that sometimes you guys turn genuine issue into over romanticized propagandas. i have seen that happen with the issues that paramendra brags about in his blog. you should be able to tell the world that the strikes have taken wrong turns. you should not let your sympathy for your own rights be overshadowed by your subtle hatred for the pahade groups. you might now agree here, but if you really start thinking about it you get a sense that your over-romantic concern for your rights is translating into hatred for others! so while we sincerely hope that you are some of important individuals to bring out the best to the people, do not make unnecessary propagandas. you have to agree that not all ordinary people comply with the protest and its not always been the voice of the TERAI as there has DEFINITELY been infiltration from groups. maoists or royalists are less of concern than the ELEMENTS themselves. so you shouldnot miss these points.

While we want equal rights and judicious treatments to our brethern in the south, we won't accept your over romantic propagandas and arbitrary assessments.

peace

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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
junge 1/27/2007 4:28:43 PM EST
Anand dai, I do not think there should be any movement towards a seperate state in the tarai region. It is not a long run solution. If thats the only thing that can solve this problem, than I can see all other minorities asking for their independence. The civil war has already weakened our country enough, breaking it down into smaller entities will certainly doom Nepal.

Only way we can unite all Nepalese is through dialogue and negotiations. We must accept that discrimination has occured. There are so many division in Nepal, whether it be relgious, social, regional, cultural, and to some extent lingual, nevertheless, we can all work together to solve this problem. I certainly don't have a solution ahead of me, but I think we can find one.

***About my comment about some "racial" comment not suiting "educated" sebsers, I did not mean to say that non-sebsers are inferior. What I am saying is that good majority of sebsers have recieved a well-rounded education, which should have eradicated any ethnocentric thinking within us. Sometimes a lack of education (By education, I mean general upbringing rather than what we get in classrooms) can lead to immature comments. Comments like this and the other forum do not allign with the kind of education we, sebsers, have recieved. If it did offend some non-sebsers who visit this forum, I do apologize for my writing.

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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
680 Anand 1/27/2007 4:55:01 PM EST
Bye and Junge,

I hope you noticed when I said that I would like to be Nepali and be a part of Nepal! Only if I am denied inclusion in Nepal, shall I advocate for a separate nation.

Many things that seem impossible turn into reality. Often, sooner than when one expects.

And why CAN’T the 4 demands be meet? No body is going to buy this "attitude change" anymore. It’s too arbitrary, can't really measure whether the attitude has changed or it’s another scam to maintain the status quo.

Just a year before India got independence the idea of Pakistan was impossible! But, it did happen. I bet there are other examples. Of course it’s not in your interest to loose the Terai. It’s the source of more than 70% of t the country's revenue. So its only natural would try to sideline it as a baseless romantic propaganda.

But, Madhesis may not be left with any choice. And being a separate country is far better than agreeing to "change in attitude" that remains led by a largely Pahadi administration from Kathmandu.

I don't think Padhis hate Madhesis or Madhesis hate phadi as such. I do not have reason about why there should be hatred. Do you have any?



It is the Phadis that control power and are unwilling to share power with Madhesis that Madhesis hate. And its Phadis administration and politicians that that have power who hate Madhesis that are protesting think that they are nuisance. It is important to make such a distinction; specially, given the current circumstance.
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Why it is necessary to DO AWAY with this thread.
cynic 1/27/2007 5:01:12 PM EST
Hinduism: “Let not any man do unto another any act that he wisheth not done to himself by others, knowing it to be
painful to himself.”
Buddhism: “Hurt not others with that which pains yourself.”

Confucianism: “Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you.”
Christianity: “Treat others as you would have them treat you.”

Judaism: “What is hateful to yourself do not do to your fellow man.”

Islam: “No man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.”
Kant I: "Act only in accordance with that maxim through which you can at the same time will that it become a universal law."
Kant II: “Treat each person as an end in herself, not merely as a means to some other end.”
to look at an individual not as an autonomous individual -- naked, alone, and supreme -- but as an individual associated with a nation, caste, ethnicity, race, gender, class, and color is bigotry and sheer foolishness. this is especially the case with an individual's rights and duties. some of the nepalis' hatred toward the Indians is so astounding and shocking that they refuse to believe that a poor, crippled, and suffering Indian goes through the same torment as a poor, crippled, and suffering nepali.

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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
cynic 1/27/2007 5:36:22 PM EST
meant for other thread. mistakenly posted on this thread. my bad.
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To Anand
wrong 1/28/2007 4:46:44 PM EST
If you WON'T buy the 'attitude change', what is the use of the strike? How will the four demands be met without the change of attitude in Kathmandu? Can you please enlighten me!
While I repeat my soladirity for a justful changes in the constitution to guarantee people in the South are treated equally, I sense a partitinist psyche deep inside some of the so called 'leaders' of present movement. And let's face this: to see Terai separate from Nepal is to see Terai as another state in India!
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Re: Why Madhesis need to continue the protest.
wrong 1/28/2007 4:47:44 PM EST
By the my name is Bye in previous comment (sorry about that)
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