Sunday, December 11, 2005

December 11 Sunday 11 AM Union Square


Every Sunday 11 AM Union Square

The first time it was Anil Shahi, Sanjaya Parajuli, Sarahana Shrestha and me and it was in Chinatown. The next time it was the same group and the location was Union Square. The one after that was at Binay Sah's place. It was cold, and free lunch is a tempting proposition. That is when I met Ritesh for the first time. Then the invitation was extended to three other people, but only a total of two showed, one was out of town, a second had prior engagements, two were working, and so on: so Divita Mehta and I talked. She bought me MoMo. For this one four showed, although one was out of town, and three others were lined up to show. Sarahana called saying noone responded to her email when she asked if others were coming. She just might have overslept! Anil is out in New Hampshire attending a wedding. Binay is on call. Divita, Ritesh and I have another get together Tuesday evening.

The last major Nepali event in town was Rajeev Goyal's fundraiser, but I had to miss that for another DFNYC event. I donated to the Goyal fund online. (Lampson, Mistry, Dance-a-thon, LinkUp) In hindsight, I should have missed the DFNYC event and saved myself $75!

We don't have pictures from the prior events. I am glad Ritesh brought along his camera.

Mr. Sanjaya Parajuli was in attendance, Master Sanjaya Parajuli stole the show, and Ritesh Chaudhary was the guest of honor. Ritesh is a techie from Janakpur. He knows people in far away places who read this blog!

Over the weekend I had managed to mess up my body clock, so I was mostly twisting and turning in bed most of the night. I was able to catch a few hours of nap in early morning after I got out of bed and helped myself to Ramen noodles.

It was a nice day, although how nice I found out only after I got to Union Square. No wind, a lot of sun. But then we went indoors into Starbucks - Sanjaya bought me coffee - and by the time we came out, the sun was a goner.

Sanjaya showed up with his son. We had a pleasant conversation. We touched many bases. I was raring to maybe visit local Nepalis into their homes, call people, do phone banking if lists be available. He cautioned it might be better to instead grow this Sunday 11 AM crowd, a little at a time.

I have been writing to people in Boston and DC to replicate. And then to smaller towns across the country where people would hold the meet inside living rooms, take pictures and send them all to one central location online.

It is a nice social activity in its own right. But it is also important solidarity expression.

I brought up the topic of moving beyond the usual crowd of the politically active or those with white collar jobs, although there are many Nepalis who work blue collar jobs locally below minimum wage who might have advanced degrees from back in Nepal or India or elsewhere. The problem is they also tend to work crazy hours. It would be hard for them to show up.

I hope fundraisers will be held in living rooms for them at times of their convenience. I know that crowd parties hard. I have been to a few. Perhaps we can keep expanding our network. There is something called the cellphone.

Anil tells me there are more than 15,000 Nepalis in New York City.

Sanjaya and I touched many other bases. We talked about the projects we and others are involved with. Sanjaya threw in some important insights as to how there is more than one way to go about the projects. Transparent, online book keeping makes little sense for the clandestine projects. True. There are some mini projects that noone will know anything about. Only the end products will get seen. There will be few donors, all anonymous, each potentially big, as in $1000 each, and if there be book keeping, it will stay within that really small group, and for safety purposes, the names of the people actually carrying out the work in Kathamandu will not be circulated even among that small group of donors. I totally bought into what Sanjaya explained to me. Whatever works. As long as the work gets done, there has to be more than one way of doing it.

Ritesh arrived about 20 minutes late. By then Sanjaya, his son and I had already moved on to the coffee shop. Usually I am not big on coffee. It is social drinking for me.

The three of us had long, expansive talks on many different topics, very few of them to do with the Nepal movement. In the mean time Master Parajuli explored the nooks and corners of the coffee shop.

We mostly talked of globalization and how it impacts countries like Nepal and India, especially in how it impacts us and people we know. We talked India and China. There were the stories we had.

Then we dispersed. The Parajulis took off, and Ritesh and I went for MoMo. Darbar East is nice that way. Dhrubaji likes to engage in political talk.

Then we walked over towards Times Square. It was getting cold, but it was worth it. Ritesh knew of this shop where he wanted to buy a sweater. I ended up buying a winter cap and a pair of gloves. The prices were low. I like my prices low. I am a Walmart kind of guy.

Then it was adios until Tuesday, "7:45ish," for Ritesh and me.

We got to grow from four to 10 to 40 to more. Spread the word. When Nepal hits the world headlines, local media will come to us. That attention will further help the movement.

NAC Goes Proactive


Jeet Joshi ji.

What took you so long?

Kidding. Not really.

But, sincerely, thanks.

Action is good. Any and all action in "that" direction is good.

The NAC Executive Committee is a recognized body of individuals. Although many of those individuals are members of this ND forum, the NAC has an independent identity. I am so very glad you all came out with this action.

Do more of this and more often. Keep firing off press statements. Develop a rapid response mechanism. Write to more bodies and individuals. Write to EU, to China, to Venezuela. Write, write, write.

Every act of state repression has to be hit back with a NAC press statement. Strike back within hours at best, within 24 hours at most. More than 24 hours and it looks stale.

List names of all member organizations. List names of all members of the Board. That is how you make it LOUD.

Maybe assign one person to immediately draft letters when events take place. Then circulate over email and give people about 6 hours to respond. And fire off. Let the valley ring with your word bullets.

I respectfully thank you and the NAC Board. Keep up the good work.

Now let me go read the letter!

:-)





Nepalese Americas Council
P.O. Box 9883, San Bernardino, CA 92407
NAC Since 1991
Web: www.NepalCouncil.org
Phone: 909-792-0343

December 9, 2005

President Jimmy Carter
The Carter Center
One Copenhill
453 Freedom Parkway
Atlanta, GA 30307

Dear Mr. President,

On behalf of Nepalese Americas Council (NAC) and its member organizations located throughout the North American continent, I would like to express my sincere gratitude to the Carter Center for its continued interest in peace and democracy in Nepal.

Mr. President, as you know, a popular movement in 1990 overthrew a thirty year long autocracy in Nepal in favor of a democratic system of governance. Taking advantage of the strength of a democratic system and weakness of newly adopted system that was still in the learning phase, Maoists launched an insurgency with a publicly declared goal of establishing a communist republic.

To make the matter worse, King Gyanendra engineered a coup d'etat and took over a democratically elected government on February 1, 2005. Since then he has ignored all internal and international call for a dialogue with democratic political parties in order to restore democracy and to seek a solution by bringing the Maoists into the main stream democratic polity.

Recently, the Maoists and the democratic forces represented by seven political parties reached an understanding where Maoists have shown serious interest to participate in the multi-party democracy. They declared a three-month unilateral ceasefire. However, the royal Nepalese army commanded by the king did not reciprocate this gesture despite calls from international community, human rights organizations and activists, and Nepalese people in general.

The ceasefire declared by the Maoists ended on the first week of December 2005. On the request of democratic parties, people, human rights organizations and activists, Maoist recently agreed to extend the ceasefire for another month.

Mr. President, such a good window of opportunity to end the decade long violence and political turmoil had not been appeared before. The 12 point agreement between the political party alliance and the Maoists provides that the arms of both the Royal Nepalese Army and the Maoists to be supervised by UN or a dependable international body to ensure free and fair election to the constituent assembly. As this agreement presents a rare chance to bring peace and to restore democracy, it will be extremely unfortunate if this opportunity is lost and the country that is already at the brink of collapse enters into another deadly phase of violence.

Therefore, Mr. President, Nepalese Americas Council (NAC), its member organizations listed below and Nepalese Diaspora in the North American continent call upon you to help, either individually, or through the Carter Center, in concert or in collaboration with the United Nations, or in any other manner you feel appropriate. We also request you to consider a short personal trip to Nepal to take a political stock and to provide an impetus to the political process towards returning to peace and the restoration of civil liberties, human rights, and democracy at the earliest possible time.

Thank you.

Sincerely,


Dr. Jeet Joshee
President, Nepalese Americas Council

NAC Member Organizations and other Community Groups.Organizations:

America Nepal Friendship Society (ANFS), New York
America Nepal Society (ANS), California
Association of Nepalis in the Americas (ANA)
Association of the Nepalese in the Midwest America
Association of Nepali Terain in America (ANTA)
Florida Nepalese Association (FNA)
Greater Boston Nepali Community ( Boston)
Kaligandaki Friendship Society (KFC), Washington, D.C.
Liberal Democracy Nepal (LDN)
Nepalese Association in South East America ( NASeA)
Nepalese and Friends Association (NAFA)
Nepali Youth Organization (NYO), Washington, D.C.
Nepa Pasha Pucha Amerikaye (NPPA)
Nepal Cultural Society of B.C. (NCSBC)
Nepal Seattle Society
Nepal Community Network of Canada (NCNC)
Nepali Women’s Network of North America
NCNC( North Carolina)
Nepalese Society of Texas ( Dallas)
Nepali American Public Affairs Council (NAPAC)
Nepal Concern Group-Canada
Nepal Enterprise Forum
Nepal Democracy Forum
Rocky Mountain Friends of Nepal (Denver)
Society of Ex-Budhanilkantha Students - North America
Indira Foundation

Saturday, December 10, 2005

In The Quest For Social Justice Feelings Are Going To Get Hurt


ND Dynamics
The Cloud Model, Not The Pyramid Model
ND Glasnost
Diaspora Logistical Help To The Movement
Logistics To Bring Down The Regime
To: ND Group, c/o Puru Subedi
Madhesi
Nepal Democracy Google Group Does Not Believe In Free Speech

I believe the discussions at the Nepal Democracy forum boil down to this:

(1) Join one of the five projects: Nepal 5, Nepal 1000.
(2) Critique the Proposed Constitution.

Progress is being made with all five projects. But I wish things were moving faster. And so I am going to confront one issue head on, the Madhesi-Pahadi issue.

Madhesis are a hugely marginalized group, surely in Nepal, but also in the mini Nepals in America. And the Madhesis in America need to take the lead on this, just like the Pahadis in America need to exhibit they are capable of a positive transformation on their part. They need to be working on their hearts.

I have been in New York City six months now. Before that I was in Kentucky and Indiana. And the small local Nepali communities there were not a big part of my life back there. I moved to Kentucky from Kathmandu. The anti-Madhesi fog in Kathmandu is too thick for me to have longingly hobnobbed with the local Nepalis in Kentucky, not that there were that many opportunities in the first place.

Moving to New York City alone would not have done the trick. If it were not for the democracy movement, I doubt I would have made a point to really reach out to the local Nepalis. I might have more comfortably gravitated towards the South Asian crowd. One of the better things about being in America for me has been discovering the Indian in me, giving it expression. When I travelled across America, and people asked me where I was from, I said India. Mostly they did not even ask, they just assumed, and they assumed right. I was born in India.

But the democracy movement has brought me crashing back to Nepal. In the process the biggest discovery I have made is to see again the sad political plight of the Madhesis in Nepal. The Terai is responsible for over 70% of the state revenue in Nepal, and gets less than 20% back, mostly in terms of payments for civil servants, most of whom are Pahadi in the first place. Madhesis are 50% of Nepal, and yet are super marginalized in all walks of life, kind of like the women on the planet.

So when I express my ire at the Nepal Democracy forum, I am making up for all the Madhesis that are not present at the forum. There are 116 members. Only one other is Madhesi that I know of. In a just world, you would have had 58 Madhesis. I feel like I am having to make up for the difference.

I can differentiate between the general b.s. and the anti-Madhesi prejudice. And I do exhibit that sophistication here: ND Dynamics. But there is no denying the anti-Madhesi prejudice. Just like the false anti-India-based nationalism of the Monarchists, the anti-Madhesi prejudice is a big part of the glue that brings and keeps the Bahuns/Pahadis together. It is sick. There is this utter reluctance to see a Madhesi in a leadership position, even more so if those Pahadis have to be members of any team that a Madhesi might lead. The very sugggestion is deemed offensive.

So far my interaction at the forum has been that of a foreign particle amidst white blood cells. I have listed a whole bunch of reasons why here: ND Dynamics. But the elephant in the room is the Madhesi-Pahadi issue. Of the 116 members of this self proclaimed "parliament," maybe two are Madhesi. That is even worse than the parliament that Nepal had. Looks to me like the more educated and accomplished these Pahadis/Bahuns get, more exclusive they become. The proof is in the pudding. The composition of this group is proof. And that composition generates hostility for someone like me.

It is a collective identity, individual identity thing. And I have explained that in a short story: Two Storey Building. I have also explained that on a larger scale here: A Few Diagrams.

One boring tactic is they attack you precisely because you are Madhesi, and then they go on this long trajectory about how it is nothing to do with your being Madhesi, it is about you, the individual. That is old hat. Try something a little more sophisticated. That dog is not going to hunt. And even if it is purely personal, I am putting up with it because?

These Pahadis/Bahuns are like birds that hit the glass window repeatedly in their individual career quests on a daily basis: such can be the promise of America. But then during their evenings and weekends, they find themselves in their mini Nepals. And they dig out their imported prejudices with a vengeance. They outdo their own inheritance.

I just visited the webpages of most of the prominent Nepali organizations in the US. There are hardly any Madhesi names in sight anywhere among the leadership. The Pahadis in the diaspora seem to fare even worse than the Pahadi government in Nepal. You have to ask, what is the social dynamic at play? What excludes? Why is there that 95-5 rule all places where the Madhesis interact with the Pahadis? Curiously that also applies to the diversity visa thing. That 95-5 rule applies also there.

The anti-Madhesi prejudice in Nepal is that fundamental. It is in the DNA of the country. That is why nothing less than major surgery is acceptable. Any Pahadi/Bahun against a constituent assembly and against federalism is on the other side, is an opponent, be they in Nepal or America.

I have little tolerance for Pahadis/Bahuns who talk of some kind of a personal bond, real, imagined, and/or exaggerated, that they might have with me or a few other Madhesis as evidence that things are okay, their heart is clean, Nepal is fine. You got to shift to policy talk. Federalism is that litmus test where you prove if you are for or against Madhesis.

And that is why Bahuns who drag their feet on the movement are proof these people secretly fantasize somehow the 1990 constitution can be brought back. Those are political opponents.

I am the only Nepali in America I know of who is doing movement work full time. I gave three years of my life to the Sadbhavana before I came to the US: the evil Bahuns at Budhanilkantha tried to kick me out three different times. That practically qualifies for child abuse. I got myself elected student president at college as a freshman in the Bible Belt South. I am active in local New York City politics. I don't know of any Nepali who is. I have plans for 2008. No other Nepali does. I have been working to present Nepal as the Iraq for the Democrats.

This movement in Nepal speaks to me at more than one level.

Too many individuals in other fields talk like politics is just common sense whereas rocket science is rocket science. The truth is politics is more complicated than chemistry. So, yes, politically speaking I am the most qualified Nepali in America, second to none.

People have asked this question, who is the leader at this end? I have consistently proposed a model where there is no leader. (The Cloud Model, Not The Pyramid Model) If your glow is your activity level, then I sure am the brightest star in the galaxy. If that makes me the leader, so be it. Live with it. But I insist, there truly is no leader. All discussions and book keeping stay transparent. Within that framework, every interested person can hope to get involved to the extent they want to, time permitting.

There is no pyramid, there is a galaxy, and I do come across as a bright star, don't I? Give as much time as I do, and you too can hope to become one. The problem is not that there are too many workers. It has been the other way round. So stop whining. Instead volunteer.

People instead make relentless attacks on the idea of a possible Madhesi leader. They can get really creative when doing that. Like with fundraising, there has been this major hue and cry about my first attempt. I supported all other ideas for the same, but those ideas have not been carried out, at least not yet. If your alternate ideas are better for you, go work them out. Money is green no matter how it is raised.

A few volunteer to heap verbal abuse over the phone, and get likewise response. Stick to the online forum.

Some become crybabies. When you challenge their prejudiced hearts, you really hurt their feelings. They make it sound like you deprived them of their justly due brotherly love. What instead is happening is old, prejudiced bonds are breaking, and that breaking is necessary. To make room for new, progressive, egalitarian, mutually respectful bonds. So don't whine and cry. Pick yourself up and keep moving. We are not family, but maybe we can be comrades.

This diagram helps understand. The social bonds at the bottom have to necessarily be broken so both groups - the oppressor and the oppressed - can move up to healthier interaction at the higher levels.

And then those who feign surprise, I thought he was a nice guy, he comes across as such in person. Well, this forum is work to me, hard core political work. When I say hello to you for 10 seconds, that might have been socializing.

10 Point Agreement To Succeed 12 Point Agreement



"Today's meeting of the alliance has been given added importance as this is the first meeting held after they reached the understanding with the Maoists in Delhi recently. The meeting held at the party office of Nepal Sadbhawana Party (Anandidevi) in the capital featured several issues including some of the "vague items" in the understanding reached with the rebels."

Kantipur

Prachanda Statement

If I were to rewrite the 12 point agreement, it would read as follows.

1. Today, the main desire of most Nepalis is to have democracy, peace, prosperity, social upliftment and an independent and sovereign Nepal. Toward that end, we fully agree that the main obstacle is an autocratic monarchy. Without an end to the autocratic monarchy and establishment of complete democracy we are clear that there will be no peace, progress and prosperity in the country. Therefore, we have reached an agreement that all forces against autocratic monarchy will step up their movement to end the autocratic monarchy and establish complete democracy.

2. The seven parties and the Maoists are committed to a constituent assembly elections to which will be held by an interim government functioning under an interim constitution that will make the interim prime minister the Commander In Chief of the army. Before the Maoists are invited to join the interim government, the two armies in the country are to be integrated through external mediation. If the integration not be total, foreign aid is to be sought to integrate the rest of the Maoist armed cadres into the economy. It is hoped that the integrated army will be downsized by the government that will come into power after a new parliament takes shape. The seven parties agree that the 1990 constitution is dead, and so is the 1999 House that can not exist outside the 1990 constitution. As to how to get to the interim government, a decisive movement is to be waged across the country. That might result in the king coming around to the idea of an interim government, in which case the question of monarchy will still be an issue in the constituent assembly. On the other hand, if the king be relentlessly uncompromising, the movement ends the monarchy before it forms the interim government, in which case the question of monarchy will not be an issue in the constituent assembly. It has been agreed that People’s power is the only alternative to meet the goals. This has been suggested as the interim constitution: Proposed Constitution.

3. The country wants a positive solution and a permanent peace. That is why we are committed to these goals and an end to the armed conflict through the end of autocratic monarchy, elections for the constituent assembly and the establishment of absolute democracy. The CPN (Maoist) expresses its commitment to move ahead in a peaceful new political current through this process.

4. The CPN (Maoist) makes public its commitment to clearly institutionalise the values of competitive multiparty system, civil and fundamental rights, human rights and the rule of the law. Human rights and press freedom will be respected while moving the peace process ahead.

5. The CPN (Maoist) has made the commitment to let the leaders, activists, and the people who were displaced during the armed conflict to be resettled in their homes. It has also committed that all land, houses and property seized unjustly will be returned. This will create an environment where people will be allowed to freely conduct their political activities.

6. Through self-criticism and self-evaluation of the past mistakes and shortcomings, the CPN (Maoist) is committed not to repeat those mistakes. The seven political parties have realised they made mistakes when they were in parliament and in government and have committed that they will not repeat those mistakes.

7. The talk of municipal elections and parliamentary polls is to trick the people and the international community and to legitimise the illegitimate and autocratic rule of the king. We will boycott these polls in our separate ways and urge the people to make such elections unsuccessful. But first we aim to try and bring the regime before the end of February through a continuous movement.

8. The people and their representative political parties are the real guards of nationalism. We are fully committed on the self-reliance, sovereignty, territorial integrity and national unity. It is our common duty to have friendly relations on the basis of the principle of peaceful co-existence with all the countries of the world, especially with our neighbours India and China. We urge all patriotic people to remain alert about Mandale nationalism that the king and the monarchists are preaching to the people. We also appeal to international powers to support the democratic movement against autocratic monarchy through all possible ways.

9. We urge civil society, professionals, people of all caste, communities and areas, the media, intellectuals and general Nepalis to actively participate in the people’s movement that will be conducted on the basis of our agreement that has democracy, peace, prosperity, progressive social change, freedom, sovereignty and integrity of the country as the cornerstone.

10. Past misbehaviour of the parties will be investigated, and action taken against those found guilty and the findings made public. Any problems arising will be sorted out at the concerned level or through discussion at the leadership level.

In The News

Respond to 12-point pact to restore peace in the country: Koirala NepalNews
163 army men punished for Rights violation
Remove illegal brick kilns from valley: SC
Local administration asks journos to be present before ZAO
Media ordinance is incomplete: Minister Rana
Army Chief to visit Pakistan
US concerned about rights abuses in Nepal
Torture as a violation of human rights in Nepal
Indian Foreign Secretary arriving Sunday Kantipur
Parties work to clarify 12-point understanding
Over 100 protestors detained, released later
Maoists training camp destroyed in Dhankuta: Army
Rice concerned over rights situation in Nepal
Understanding with Maoists was for peace:Koirala
Saran arriving in capital to convey Delhi's message
CMDP to reclaim Ratna Park
Maoists thwart NC mass meeting
Saran visits Nepal tomorrow, says it has potential to be rich Outlook (subscription), India
Thirty arrests at Nepal protest BBC News
Police scuffle with pro-democracy activists in Nepal Hindustan Times
Over a hundred arrested from HR Day demonstration in Nepal Asian Tribune, Thailand
Major civil unrest looms in Nepal Radio New Zealand, New Zealand
Nepal's new information minister wants fair Indian media Webindia123, India
US for democratic, prosperous Nepal: Rice NewKerala.com, India
After China, Nepal's army chief heading for Pakistan Asian Tribune, Thailand
Nepal Rules out Talks With King Himalayan Times, Nepal

Friday, December 09, 2005

ND Dynamics



I am so very glad to be part of this group, Nepal Democracy. It reminds me of the Sajha action in 2002, only with this group much more in-depth conversations are possible. I don't begrudge the group's exclusivity when it comes to its membership. The moderators are very selective in terms of who they allow and who they don't. It is supposed to be some kind of a Who's Who of the diaspora and beyond. Famous names like Kul Chandra Gautam and Kanak Mani Dixit are listed. I don't know how I got in, but it must be all that noise I create online. Besides I might be the only member of the group to have been to all 48 states in the continental US. That is my claim to fame.

Right now the group has emerged the hub of democracy action. Office holders of most of the major Nepali organizations in the US seem to be members, though there are only about 10 very active members among the more than 100. Less than five participate on a near daily basis. But I am told there are many who just like to read the stuff and not write anything. And then they talk about it offline in their respective social circles!

This group is making possible conversations that could not have been possible any other way.

Google has been indispensable to my involvement in the Nepal movement. I access most of my news from Google News. I do most of my communication through this blog, which is on Google property. And the "parliament" I am a member of is a Google group: Nepal Democracy. I still have my Yahoo email account as my primary one, or Gmail is not that far away as an option. It is hard for me to imagine my involvement without Google. If you heard rumors Google is going to take over the world, they are true!

Those are some of the nice things I have to say about the Nepal Democracy group. But I also have criticisms I would like to heap upon it.
  1. The technology is designed for a cloud/galaxy model of interaction. But the mindset of many members is still stuck on the pyramid model. (The Cloud Model, Not The Pyramid Model) Once in a while appears a longing for a hiearachy. And there seem to be cliques that interact over the phone as much as at the group website. And I am all for such larger interactions. Hey, Skype now offers video calls for free.
  2. Since there are office holders from many organizations here, many of them seem to want that respect. There are supposed to be these dons who hardly every say anything, and then once in a while come out of the woodworks and attempt to establish some kind of an authority. I find that perplexing. First, there are few people on the list that I know in person. And so when ephemeral hierarchies are formed, they are performance and activity based. This "parliament" is no House of Lords.
  3. There is a tendency towards much talk and little action. The past few days the group has been discussing who will draft a letter to the Nepal Medical Association and how. There is a lot of preparing to prepare to prepare going on. Who will tie the bell round the cat's neck? I got impatient, drafted one, called it an attempted draft 1, and emailed it to Shambhu Thapa and Sudha Sharma, presidents respectively of the Nepal Bar Association and the NMA. Did that breach protocol? How could it have? It is called attempted draft 1. So it is not official communication.
  4. The most the group has done in the past is issue statements. I am a new member, so I don't know, but I believe the stories which are that the group takes forever to compose press statements. By the time the statement comes out, the news has gone stale.
  5. For the diaspora to move from thinking only moral support is to be extended to think major logistical support is also to be extended is something like the Maoists moving from communist republic to democratic republic. That is a fundamental shift. But mentally many members do not seem to have made the move. The five projects have been identified, but members are still not jumping to join the teams. The few that are working do not want to make it official. Don't get me wrong, a lot of work is being done. But the pace is slow. I wish more people stepped up to join specific project teams so we could break them into smaller groups for mini projects. And we could have a beehive of activity.
  6. There is dysfunction. Nothing helped me understand the dynamics of the seven party coalition in Nepal like joining this group. Now I am more patient with the leaders at the other end.
  7. My key point is this. If this is going to be a two year movement, is it not better instead to participate in the elections, and then take that new parliament to a constituent assembly? This regime has to fall before February, or there is going to be a lot of trouble in the democratic camp. I don't think the king is thinking martial law, military crackdown and all that. I think he is putting his all into the municipal polls. I just got this email from a high school friend yesterday who is in Kathmandu. The guy has registered a party! If elections are held, and there is a 35% voter turnout, then the king gets to claim two victories: that polls were held, and that protest rallies were allowed during the months leading to the polls. Two major acts of democracy right there. So if you perform a slow bleeding revolution, that actually helps the king! This Nepal Democracy group needs to feel that urgency. And even if the Maoists turn to violence to disrupt the polls, we democrats still lose. Through our internal dysfunction, we would have made that possible. (Badri Mandal: Winner) And if the municipal polls succeed, the king buys himself at least a year. Leaders talk of actively foiling the polls. Would it not be easier to get the masses out into the streets before that? Some talk of the harvest season. The time to bring down regimes is in Baisakh! Glory be upon us.
  8. We are making these major preparations about how if there is a military crackdown, we will take the king to the Hague and stuff, but I think what we should really worry about is what if municipal polls are held! I think a continuous movement is the only one that can dislodge the regime. (Pyramid Of 10 In Kathmandu, Logistics To Bring Down The Regime)
  9. Instead the momentum so far has been to hold one rally this week, another rally next week. That helps the king! All those boost his democratic credentials.
  10. But for mass action you need clarity. There instead is this happy fog. And the Nepal Democracy group is in no hurry either. There are people who report they are working on some statement that should be ready in "two months' time." You can't possibly be serious. This revolution feels like a leisurely stroll. We must be a lucky bunch.
Podcast

December 8, 2005 (15 minutes) Peace, democracy and social justice have to go together. Social justice issues of the DaMaJaMa are at the center of this democracy movement. They cannot be avoided.

In The News

Media ordinance is incomplete: Minister Rana NepalNews
Army Chief to visit Pakistan
US concerned about rights abuses in Nepal
EC should not comment on political decision: Prof. Mishra
Remittance important to reduce poverty: WB report
Leaders joined govt on their own wishes: Rana
The Myths of a Constituent Assembly
Thousands rally against Nepal king
BBC News, UK
India not worried by Swiss diplomacy in Nepal Webindia123
Nepal king to offer olive branch to Maoists?
NewKerala.com, India
Nepal king's new minister gets boot from party
NewKerala.com, India
Nepal Maoist Prevents NC to Hold Mass Meeting, Demands Share in ...
NewsLine Nepal, Nepal
Maoists bar NC from organizing programme Nepalnews.com
Nepal Intellectuals Blame Monarchy for Instability
NewsLine Nepal, Nepal
Supreme Court opposes government ban of BBC Nepali Service
IFEX, Canada
Controversial Media Ordinance will be Reviewed: Rana
Himalayan Times, Nepal

Thursday, December 08, 2005

Gagan Thapa's Right To Free Speech


"Meanwhile, Gagan Thapa is to be presented to Special Court on 8 Dec. for his “Rajdroha” (treason) indictment for having insulted the Monarchy during a protest."

Samudaya.

Gagan Thapa can be as republican as he wants to be. Right to free speech is a fundamental human right and he has it. He is protected by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Any regime or any constitution that clashes with that fundamental human right is an illegitimate one. The 1990 constitution died several years back, and has died several times since then. This regime is about to prove its illegitimacy one more time as if the numerous times before have not been enough.

Gagan Thapa is a genuine Nepali hero. He is a gift of this movement to the Nepali people.

I look forward to this movement succeeding, democracy getting established, and Gagan Thapa coming into the parliament. Gagan Thapa has been making some major contributions to the current democracy movement. That is there. But I think the bigger contributions he will make will be after democracy has already been firmly put in place.

Nepal is being run by people who should not be running Nepal, and Gagan Thapa is proof. People who have perpetrated some major crimes against humanity are in power, whereas a non-violent democracy activist is being dragged to court. A travesty of justice is about to be carried out.

But then this democracy movement is not going the route of courts. This movement is going the route of the streets.

Taking Gagan Thapa to court is a regime hastening its demise, nothing more.

Gagan Thapa is a democrat, someone who believes in non-violence. The world is not going to sit by and watch while he gets demonized by the ruling mafia.

Girija Koirala Playing Foul By Gagan Thapa

"....a new Nepal Student Union Central Committee has been formed under the presidency of Mahendra Bista who is also regarded by many as the "dharma-putra" of Sushil Koirala...."

Gagan's Talk In New York
Girijaspeak: When Republicans Are Royalists

It is as if Girija Koirala were hoping people are too busy with the movement, perhaps they will not notice.

This is a clear case of the parent party bulleying its student organization. It is perhaps in the political culture of the country that parties sometimes do that to their students wings, but why is it that only the Congress makes the news on this issue?

When I met Gagan Thapa in person, he came across as someone very dedicated to the Nepali Congress. The parent party needs to return the favor.

Foiling the Pokhara convention was a major disservice done to the democracy movement. Many were hoping the movement would take off with a successful NSU convention in Pokhara. Girija's clique foiled that.

Sidelining Gagan Thapa is exactly the wrong thing to do, not that it is possible to sideline Gagan Thapa. Neither Gyanendra nor Girija have it in their powers to sideline Gagan Thapa.

Gagan is Girija's comrade. If Girija can not see that, I doubt his democratic credentials.

A Patronizing King And 200 Brown Shirts

200 Brown Shirts

The UML organized peaceful demonstrations on December 2. Later in the day 200 rowdy types spread terror in Kathmandu with their visits to the UML party office and Girija Koirala's residence. The regime is lucky nothing untoward happened. But the hooligans were let roam scot free. As an armed group, they violated the law. Who were those people? Why did the regime not initiate action against them?

Or is it like the king trying to suggest, remember when I put you all under house arrest after 2/1? I did that for your good, for your safety.

That attitude would be utterly patronizing.

A king sticking to his roadmap is not a king seeking dialogue and reconciliation. Maybe the dramatic loss of much of his family in 2001 has hardened his heart so much, in his mind he is playing by the book, trying hard to portray himself as someone who knows the difference between his pesonal and professional lives.

He needs to move beyond the legal and the constitutional to the political. That is his best bet, if it is not already too late.

The King's Jumbo Cabinet

One more expansion and he will have overtaken Deuba's jumbo cabinet from the 1990s.

A Slow Bleeding Two Year Movement

Some democrats talk in such terms. If the idea is to have a two year movement, it would make more sense to participate in the polls. But that has two drawbacks. One, we can not legitimize this regime. Two, we can not discount the Maoists.

So I propose a more jampacked two month movement. But it is for the people on the ground to decide.

Protests







The Cloud Model, Not The Pyramid Model


The Nepal Democracy Google group has seen a lot of productive action since December 2. Even before that I have been espousing something called a cloud model of group dynamics to coordinate the diaspora efforts for democracy in Nepal, the cloud model as opposed to the traditional pyramid model.

My Nepal 1000 page offers some more specifics. I also launched a much more private small group called Project Nepal Democracy. The latter is for clandestine work.

What is the cloud model?
  1. It is internet based. In this particular case, the Nepal Democracy group is where most of the talking gets done.
  2. There is no central authority. There is no one central leader.
  3. The book keeping is transparent and online.
  4. The discussions are transparent and online.
  5. Participation is to be based on intitiative. Visibility will be performance based.
  6. Six specific projects have been identified. They are listed at the Nepal 1000 page among other places.
  7. Individuals and organizations need to take initiative to participate in one or more of the projects.
  8. Some aspects of some projects are going to be clandestine, otherwise the rest of the work is going to be pretty much transparent.
  9. As for credits, history is getting archived as it is being made.
  10. Fundraising has many models. That also has a cloud model. Nepal 1000 offered an intial framework, still in place. But many other ideas have been suggested, and all of them look good. One would be for Project Managers for each project to raise money directly for their projects. Another would be for organizations like the Alliance, or the NAC, or the LDN to make it possible for people to donate on their respective websites. Another would be like got done for the DC and the NYC rallies. You set up one website expressly for the purpose of fundraising. As long as the book keeping is transparent and online, all methods are good. And some of the best ways of raising money are over the phone and in person, not online.
I wonder if a more accurate term would not be a galaxy model. Each person who participates in the six projects is a star. The glow of each star is directly proportional to its activity level. And each person decides his or her own activity level.

Another advantage of this group dynamics model is that the amount of time any one person has to give can change from day to day, week to week, but the work does not suffer even if the person does not inform the group when his or her time commitment might momentarily go down. Project teams are self regulating. And there are no hard and fast boundaries between projects. Some of the more active members move from project to project on a revolving basis. They can not do the work of the specialists, but then can fill in the gaps, and take care of the general work and, very importantly, keep the conversation going.

Welcome to the cutting edge cloud model of group dynamics.

Podcasts

  • December 6, 2005 (15 minutes) The movement for democracy itself has to be democratic. The disapora has to extend both moral and logistical support. Specific projects have been designed, five in all. The book keeping has to be kept transparent and online in near real time. My personal focus is on political work. This movement in Nepal is fast shaping my career. This regime should not see February. Have you contributed your $100 yet?

  • December 7, 2005 (15 minutes) There are more than 50,000 Nepalis in the US. More than 90% support democracy, about 20% might want to actively contribute. We should offer a more sophisticated organization than the Monarchists and the Maoists. Our underground FM radio station would be a litmus test for that. Less than 0.1% will be very actively involved. We have to identify and organize them. From my part there is going to be zero tolerance on the issue of Madhesi equality within the movement. As to why the seven parties are not more united, more clear, more functional, the dynamics within the Nepali diaspora help me understand. We want to prepare for the worst so it does not happen. But if it happens, we are prepared.

  • In The News

    HM King administers oath of office to new members of the cabinet NepalNews
    RJP denies representation in royal cabinet; Lama gets NC-D boot
    Cabinet reshuffle fruitless: Leaders
    King reshuffles cabinet; brings more loyalists on board
    CJ expresses dissatisfaction over NBA
    Koirala admits having direct talks with Maoist leaders
    The Myths of a Constituent Assembly
    Indian envoy meets UML gen secy
    Monarchy main obstacle for peace: Leaders
    Fragmented political class and the Nepali army
    Amid growing opposition, Nepal's King reshuffle cabinet
    Malayala Manorama, India
    Cross Border Reports: "Nepal's king prepares for exile!" Samudaya.org
    Nepal king makes sweeping cabinet changesISN
    Nepal parties dismiss reshuffle BBC News
    Cabinet overhauled by Nepal King
    The Statesman, India
    Nepal minister spent Rs 20,000 on snacks Hindustan Times
    Nepal's chief election commissioner warns political parties
    Asian Tribune, Thailand
    Senior political leader admits holding talks with Maoists Asian Tribune
    Saran to head to Nepal for democracy talks
    Sify, India
    Saran to take up democracy, arms with Nepal Indian Express
    India keen on civil society in Nepal Business Standard
    China grants 257,000 US dollars to Nepal
    People's Daily Online, China
    Nepal purge: a warning to all conspirators Webindia123, India

    Wednesday, December 07, 2005

    ND Glasnost


    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Dec 7, 2:34 pm show options
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    Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:34:36 -0800
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    Subject: Re: Role of civic society and contingency plan for revolution for new spring.
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    I think the choice for members of this Google group is simple.

    (1) You are committed to the democracy cause.
    (2) Or you don't care, or you are fearful of getting involved, or you
    actually support the regime, in an active or passive way, for whatever
    reason.

    (1b) You are for democracy, but the democracy movement is a spectator
    sport for you. You will watch, or you will watch and whine.
    (1c) You are for it, and you would like to actively contribute.

    (1c1) Level 1 of contribution is to donate $100, and then sit back and
    watch how that money goes into one of the 5 projects. Actually 6,
    because fundraising is the biggest of the projects.
    http://www.geocities.com/paramendra/nepal1000.html
    (1c2) Level 2 would be to join one of the 6 teams.
    (1c3) Level 3 would be to become a Project Manager of one of the 6
    teams.

    You make your choice and then you identify yourself. And come out of
    the closet. Welcome to the cloud model of group dynamics.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Dec 7, 2:15 pm show options
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    Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:15:14 -0800
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    Subject: Re: Role of civic society and contingency plan for revolution for new spring.
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    All time top posters
    558 shar...@aol.com
    319 d...@cdc.gov
    192 psub...@gmail.com
    155 paramen...@yahoo.com

    I am not even the top poster. I doubt others have received such
    "advice."

    Why don't people take the easier option, which is to choose to read
    this group discussion at the group's website. Or why sign up to receive
    individual emails? Why not daily digests? I am not responsible for the
    choice you make.

    The discussions of the past few days have been highly productive. This
    much ground could not have been covered any other way.

    And I don't appreciate the threat of "will ban you again." For the same
    reason I did not appreciate it the first time.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Dec 7, 2:24 pm show options
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    Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:24:37 -0800
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    Subject: Re: Role of civic society and contingency plan for revolution for new spring.
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    People in Kathmandu are out in the streets, and we can't even put our
    names to the cause in an online forum from the safety of the US? What
    is the bother?

    Ideas are a dime a dozen. For the implementation phase we need people
    who will join the 5 specific projects at this end, and then together we
    form teams at the other end in Kathmandu.

    I don't see why we should not go public with our names. But each
    individual decides for herself/himself. I have been public from day
    one.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Dec 7, 1:55 pm show options
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    Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:55:19 -0800
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    Subject: Re: (1) Video Blogging The Movement
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    We are hoping to get Umesh a better camera than the Khasha one he has,
    3.1 megapixel.

    Contribute: http://www.geocities.com/paramendra/nepal1000.html

    Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:05:55 +0545
    From: "Salokya" ...@gmail.com>
    To: "Paramendra Kumar Bhagat" ...@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: This is amazing

    If we can get this one, that will be great !
    http://www.shopnbds.com/description.asp?catid=130&itemid=1169
    It says "video source directly to your computer without having to
    record to DV tape"

    Other Models
    http://www.shopnbds.com/category.asp?catid=28&catname=Cameras

    7 leader ko lagi KP sanga kura hundai chha....

    On 12/7/05, Paramendra Kumar Bhagat ...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    How much would it cost to buy another camera for you locally,
    better,
    more megapixels? Maybe that can be another topic for fundraising.

    http://www.paramendra.com
    http://www.swapn.biz

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Dec 7, 1:50 pm show options
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    Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:50:15 -0800
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    Subject: Re: Video Blogger Umesh Shrestha Fired From Job, Threatened Over Email
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    Threat email sent to video blogger Umesh Shrestha. At least the
    individual has been identified through IP address.

    ---------- Forwarded message ----------

    Author : Deepk Sharma (IP: 202.51.76.20 , co-cache.vianet.com.np)

    E-mail : dyand...@yahoo.com

    URI :

    Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=202.51.76.20

    Sale, taile Nepal ko aastha ra biswas ko dharohar Yuvarajdhiraj mathi
    ko jhuttha samchar lekhne ta ko hos. tero samachar ko pusti
    hunuparchha. natra khalas marla akal ma sale.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Dec 6, 9:03 pm show options
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    Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:03:05 -0800
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    Subject: Re: Civic movement for revolution.
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    " No fund raising solicitation at this time."

    That is the exact opposite of what needs to be said.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Dec 6, 5:38 pm show options
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    Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:38:57 -0800
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    Subject: Re: 5 Projects: Donate $100
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    Nepal Medical Association to take the lead on the medical services
    project.
    Nepal Bar Association forms the Kathmandu team for the legal action
    project.
    Maybe there is a radio journalists association that will do the FM
    work.

    What is this talk about purchasing ambulances? Would it not be cheaper
    to rent them out?

    Four more days and the movement is to take off. Why are people sleeping
    on the fundraising stuff?

    It could be an intense two weeks, December 10 to 25, and the work is
    done.

    Contribute: http://www.geocities.com/paramendra/nepal1000.html

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Dec 6, 5:53 pm show options
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    Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:53:47 -0800
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    I think this Google group has to be expanded. I don't think the crowd
    here is all the leadership spread across the country.

    (5) FM Radio Station In Kathmandu
    This thread for this project only: (5) FM Radio Station In Kathmandu # Video
    blog the movement to the tune of 100 plus hours. (Umesh ...
    Dec 6, 5:21 pm by paramendra - 1 message - 1 author
    (4) Propaganda Work
    This thread for this project only: (4) Propaganda Work # Video blog the
    movement to the tune of 100 plus hours. (Umesh Shrestha, KP ...
    Dec 6, 5:20 pm by paramendra - 1 message - 1 author

    (3) Legal Action, National And International
    This thread for this topic only: (3) Legal Action, National And International #
    Video blog the movement to the tune of 100 plus hours. ...
    Dec 6, 5:19 pm by paramendra - 1 message - 1 author

    (2) Medical Services For Freedom Fighters
    This thread for this project only: (2) Medical Services For Freedom Fighters #
    Video blog the movement to the tune of 100 plus hours. ...
    Dec 6, 5:18 pm by paramendra - 1 message - 1 author

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Dec 5, 4:02 pm show options
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    Global legal action is not a vague threat. We totally intend to do it.
    But if we wage a major propaganda war now, we might end up not having
    to do it. We wage the propaganda war for the physical protection of
    those who will have the courage to come out into the streets day after
    day after day from December 10 on.

    This regime should not see 2006.

    "It is based on voluntary will of the state."

    Once that state is democratic, it will fully cooperate with the UN.
    Nepal will set an example.

    Dineshji, I guess you are the Project Manager on this one. Please
    expand your team as fast as possible. And get to work. Ask for any help
    you might need along the way. Evidence is being gathered at the other
    end. Details of progress that you can share along the way, please do so
    at this thread.

    "International legal battle is not a merely propaganda matter today. we
    should not forget that Naming and shaming and dissemination of
    information is also a effective tool to implement international law.
    mobilization of internatioanal public opinion is also
    considered a effective tool toward a implementation international
    law."

    I am sure there are many details involved. Specialists like you would
    know.

    Video blogging is about shaping world opinion.

    This is heartening. Progress is being made.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Dec 3, 2:23 pm show options
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    Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:23:09 -0800
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    " Beside "ramailo guf, gaaf", what if we need to do activism - full
    scale."

    The diaspora is asleep. It needs to wake up. Words are no longer
    enough.

    Contribute: http://www.geocities.com/paramendra/nepal1000.html

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Dec 3, 2:24 pm show options
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    "I am really concerned about weather or not the party leaders will be
    able to control their followers to keep the movement/protests
    peaceful..."

    The problem so far has been not getting a large enough crowd out, not
    that the crowds have been too large.

    117 Members, How Many Bahuns, How Many Pahadis?
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    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 30, 1:21 pm show options
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    Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:21:30 -0800
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    Subject: 117 Members, How Many Bahuns, How Many Pahadis?
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    This Google group is kind of like a cyber parliament of the Nepalis
    worldwide. It is like an Upper House.

    I don't have access to the information since I am not one of the
    moderators of the group, but I would be curious to know as to how many
    of the 117 members are Bahun, how many are Pahadi.

    If I had to guess, I would say of the 117 members, at least 100 are
    Bahun, and at least 110 are Pahadi, maybe 114. Bahuns are less than 10%
    of Nepal's population. Pahadis are barely 50%.

    http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/madhesi.html

    This is an elite group. For one, everyone here has internet access.
    Most are highly educated. Many are abroad. All three are measures of
    socio-economic achievements.

    Members need to ask, what is the social filter that creates such an
    anomaly? If there is a net that lets the water through, and holds the
    fish, what is that social net? The DaMaJaMa are the water, the
    Bahuns/Pahadis are the fish.

    The Bahun/Pahadi members of this group need to acknowledge the
    existence of that net in Nepal. If this group will not take the lead on
    social justice, what hopes do we have of those less accomplished, and
    less well educated?

    My basic message is peace, democracy and social justice have to be
    simultaneous. Social justice is a precondition to democracy, not a
    roadblock to democracy. And an open, respectful dialogue is the most
    productive way to make progress on issues of social justice.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 30, 2:30 pm show options
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    Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:30:28 -0800
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    Subject: Re: 117 Members, How Many Bahuns, How Many Pahadis?
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    First, the word is Madhesi. You need to get that right.

    I have spent a decade of my life in Kathmandu. Does that make me a
    Pahadi or a Madhesi? Both you and I know the term Madhesi and Pahadi
    are not geographical but cultural.

    How do you see you? That is more important than how I see you. I read
    your last name to be Adhikari. That is a clear cut Bahun, as far as I
    am concerned.

    Your expression is a pretension. Let's get into some serious debate on
    social justice.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 30, 3:02 pm show options
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    Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:02:41 -0800
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    Subject: Re: 117 Members, How Many Bahuns, How Many Pahadis?
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    Shyam Karki makes an important point.

    You can be a Bahun and still be at the forefront of social justice talk
    and walk.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 30, 11:39 pm show options
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    Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:39:27 -0800
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    A lot of white folks dodge the race relations issue by claiming they
    have black friends. So don't dodge the legitimate topic of Madhesi
    rights by claiming you have Madhesi friends. Good if you do. If the
    friendship is real, that is another good reason why you should really
    participate in this dialogue.

    All Nepali men I know have wives, sisters, mothers, and so on, but that
    does not seem to change the fact that Nepal is one of the most sexist
    countries on the planet,does it?

    DaMaJaMa issues are issues in public policy. And we have to be willing
    to have an open, respectful dialogue on those policy topics. It is not
    okay to find the very idea of such a dialogue offensive. And this
    "parliament" of 117 needs to be taking the lead.

    It is possible for a Roger Adhikari to be a Madhesi, a Teraiwasi. The
    Nepal I envision is one where a Newar from Kathmandu should feel as
    comfortable migratingto Janakpur as a Maithil from Janakpur should feel
    migrating to Pokhara. People from all backgrounds shoud feel comfy in
    all parts of the country.

    There are many Madhesis who are as prejudiced as the Pahadis on the
    question. It is called internalized prejudice. And it is possible for
    the Bahuns to be at the cutting edge of social progress. Your
    background is not necessarily a weight around your neck. You don't even
    have to be a Bahun from the Terai to so participate.

    ".....nor do I really care about your opinion, however let me give you
    a dose of reality; you don't represent me and my most of my fellow
    Madhesi friends, jhas, Goenkas,
    Jalans, Mandals and others. All you represent is yourself and your
    little mind...."

    You give ample evidence of your narrow-mindedness through this name
    calling. You are like some racist white folks I have met who claim they
    are not racist because they have a few black friends.

    The Madhesi rights issue is this: where do you stand on federalism?
    Where do you stand on Hindi? Where do you stand on some of the other
    issues raised here?

    http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/proposed-constitution.html

    "I think Paramendra went to Budhanilakantha School, the most elite
    school in Nepal. It partially shows that if Madhesis work hard, they
    probably don't have to endure obvious discrimination."

    Madhesis are 50% of the country, but only 5% of the student body at
    Budhanilkantha Schook which claims to be a national school. That is
    what the discrimination is.

    "Madhesi people need to work hard, excel in whatever they do, and make
    people respect them. So far they are the most tolerant people, all they
    need now is to show that they are very intelligent too (which I believe
    they are)."

    It is not about hard work. It is about political equality. Hard work
    and intelligence are not based on ethnicity.

    Sucheta rightly points out, there are major caste, gender and class
    issues within the Terai too, like there are in the hills, in Kathmandu.
    But despite all that, the anti-Madhesi prejudice in Nepal encompasses
    all Madhesis regardless of caste, gender and class.

    As for raising these issues simultaneously, I do talk of Madhesi rights
    in the DaMaJaMa framework. And I talk of social justice in the rapid
    economic growth/poverty framework.

    I have brought up women's issues in detail. And I posted links when you
    first brought his up at another thread.

    Just like the Congress and the UML are Bahun dominated, the Sadbhavana
    is male dominated. That is an apt criticism.

    Anandi Devi is not just a rubber stamp, but I don't know her
    personally. Sarita Giri I know. She is one of the most qualified minds
    in the party. She is there in her own right.

    You are right, my conversations with Tripathy do not revolve around
    gender issues. And I am critical of the Sadbhavana that its social
    justice call so far does not encompass the whole DaMaJaMa spectrum.
    They only talk of Madhesis, and to a small extent Janajatis.

    But then should we not heap those gender criticisms also on the UML and
    the Congress. Have you done that?

    Arun: "How about Magar, Gurung, Lama, Tharu, Rai, Limbu causes. I am
    wondering if
    any one is championing them?"

    DaMaJaMa. Dalit, Madhesi, Janajati, Mahila. All four have to go
    together.

    I am a Madhesi. But I am not a Dalit, or a Janajati, or a Mahila. But I
    make an attempt to take all together. Similarly Bahuns should feel
    comfortable adopting the Madhesi cause.

    Muslims in the Terai have it tought, like they have it tough in India.
    They are another group. The Tharus are also a group that warrant
    notice, as Pramod Aryal points out.

    All I am suggesting at this stage here is we here should be capable of
    an open, respectful dialogue. This is not about anyone's personal
    background. This is about taking up the cause of social justice for all
    oppressed groups. A sick socieyt is bad for everyone, the oppressor and
    the oppressed.

    Sucheta talks of dowry deaths in the Terai. Women trafficking issue in
    the hills are of the same magnitude. The whole country is deeply
    sexist. There's wife beating in the upper income brackets in Kathmandu.
    Heck there's domestic violence in South Asian households in America.

    Pramod Aryal: "So my request is let us look social justice in whole
    gamut."

    I could not agree more.

    Arun: "And I am curious to know in your Bahunbad rhetoric where do
    Madhesi Bahuns like, Jhas, Mishras, Dubedi, tribedi, Chaturbedi, Tiwaris belong?"

    There is casteism within the Terai. Very true.

    I have a good feeling of where this conversation seems to be headed. We
    need to take the lead on these social issues because once a constituent
    assembly is ensured, this is going to get real thorny. We need to do
    the dress rehearsal now so we can help keep the debate respectful once
    it opens up on the ground in Nepal.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 30, 11:46 pm show options
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    40 Reasons Why The Three Forces Should Come Ar0und To My Proposed
    Constitution
    http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/40-reasons-why-three-forces...

    I am making a tall claim here. What I am saying is this document if
    implemented would take care of the social justice issues of the entire
    DaMaJaMa spectrum.

    Do you agree? Do you disagree? Get specific.

    I think this document provides a framework for a fruitful, productive
    dialogue. It would be nice to have some feedback and critique.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Dec 1, 12:56 am show options
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    Mr. Aryal. How many of your classmates were Bahun-Chhetri? How many
    Newar? How many Janajati? How many Madhesi?

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Dec 1, 3:25 am show options
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    I see less than 5% Madhesi.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 30, 11:53 pm show options
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    A lot of Nepalis grow up thinking all rivers in the world flow north to
    south. Such is andho deshprem.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 28, 8:07 pm show options
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    How are my blog posts one way traffic?

    (1) You don't have to read them!
    (2) Each blog entry comes with its own comments section. You can always
    talk back.
    (3) Or you can discuss the ideas here at this Google group.

    Both you and I know what is happening. You guys are having a hard time
    realizing social justice can not be dissociated from the themes of
    peace and democracy. That is the real story about the "storm in a
    teacup."

    But for now let's focus on the next two months of a decisive movement
    to topple the regime. Let's talk logistics.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 27, 8:42 pm show options
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    " i have had long conversation with Girija jee. He was particularly
    concerned
    about my recent posting."

    You mean Girija Koirala is a member of this Google group? Or people
    print stuff out for him to read? That is positive.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 27, 8:27 pm show options
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    I am back.

    I did not realize until late last night that there was this major storm
    in a teacup at the ND group.

    http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/to-nd-group-co-puru-subedi....

    I will write more after I have had a chance to look around.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 27, 8:30 pm show options
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    This is essentially a free speech issue, plain and simple. Free speech
    does not come with strings attached. Jargon words like etiquette, and
    club do not change that basic premise

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 17, 2:59 pm show options
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    What used to be Sajha seems to have moved here. Sajha a few years back.

    Sajha still is great, but it is more like watercooler guff. Here the
    talk is more substantial.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 16, 3:43 pm show options
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    "Gagan Thapa could be an asset to the palace since his particular brand
    of activism plays well into divisive politics. He could be an asset to
    the Maoists because his leadership of street protests provide a
    platform for infiltration, even though he may wish them to be peaceful.
    He could be an asset to the UML because it is Gagan Thapa's
    republican agenda that fuels the prospects of a potential leftist
    merger. He is already an asset to his parent party (the Nepali
    Congress) as leverage against the palace."

    LOL

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 16, 3:47 pm show options
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    "From a party perspective, one of Gagan Thapa's goals is internal
    reform. As a move toward fulfilling this goal, it would be encouraging
    if he were to steer his political capital at participating in the
    upcoming elections."

    This is a flawed article. The idea of Gagan Thapa contesting the
    February 8 polls -- that is imaginary, to say the least.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 16, 2:34 pm show options
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    Girija is the reason why it might not.

    (1) The genius dissolved a House where his party had a clear majority.
    (2) He institutionalized corruption.
    (3) He tried to run the government by remore control even when Krishna
    Bhattarai and Deuba were Prime Minister.
    (4) He is the original author of the military solution to the
    insurgency.
    (5) There was a vertical split into a Koirala Congress and the Deuba
    Congress. Girija is the reason why.
    (6) His idiotic House revival stance is what killed the 1990
    constitution and made 2/1 possible.
    (7) If he continues to stick to it, the movement will not take off. And
    there will be another split in the party. Prakash Koirala, Shailaja
    Acharya and all will break away and contest the municipal polls.

    The Koirala Congress is on its way to attaining the size of the RPP.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 12, 11:45 pm show options
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    For me this group is better than Sajha. It is possible to have serious
    discussions here. And there seem to be many who's who type names here.

    But 107 members? That is so small.

    These two are cool:
    · Members must be approved before joining
    · Only members can post

    But this makes no sense:
    · Only members can read the archive

    If 107 people have the option to read what you write, why would you
    feel "exposed" if instead 707 individuals read the same?

    Open archives will also work like ads for the group. People might show
    up to read, and they might so like it, they might apply to become
    members.

    That would be the democratic way.

    I have the impending movement in mind. We need to open up for the
    movement.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 28, 6:51 pm show options
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    It is true I AM promoting my blog. That is my greatest gift to the
    movement.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 28, 5:04 pm show options
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    Suchetaji.

    Commenting on just one fine point.

    A blog title and then the URL is to suggest people have the option to
    read the title, and if that piques their interest, they can also click
    on the URL. That is a high form of e-etiquette. As opposed to flooding
    people's inboxes with long pieces of prose.

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 28, 12:52 am show options
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    Biswoji.

    I hope you like my writing.

    But I come to this Google group as a freedom fighter!

    :-)

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 27, 11:02 pm show options
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    http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/40-reasons-why-three-forces...
    http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/logistics-to-bring-down-reg...

    There you guys go again.

    You can not take the five minutes it might take to glance through the
    two pieces and react? As in, I agree for the most part, let's do it. Or
    I disagree with points 5, 9 and 15, and these are the reasons why. Or I
    agree, but I would like to add these suggestions.

    But instead of such a constructive engagement, if you mete out a
    summary rejection, what does that imply?

    If you were to click on the first link, you would not fear Paramendra
    on his way to creating a Madhesi dominated Nepal. But would you?

    :-)

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 27, 9:28 pm show options
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    I thought you might misunderstand.

    There is an ongoing democracy movement in Nepal. And we are all
    contributing in our own ways. But it has been my consistent feeling a
    lot of Bahuns will plain ignore an idea or ideas just because they are
    coming from a Madhesi. That attitude is a problem and has to be
    countered.

    I'd rather people disagreed and expressed their disagreements. That
    done in a constructive fashion leads to polished ideas. But there is a
    major emphasis instead to not engage, to ignore, push under the carpet.

    Why don't you walk out of that flock and comment on this?
    http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/40-reasons-why-three-forces...

    And this:
    http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/logistics-to-bring-down-reg...

    Let's see you act different!

    :-)

    " class="oa" bg nowrap="nowrap">paramendra
    Nov 27, 9:01 pm show options
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    (1) Free speech does not come with ifs and buts. If you think it does,
    you are in the same club as Tanka Dhakal and King Gyanendra. Free
    speech is the most fundamental premise of the democratic ideology.
    Those hoping to contribute to the Nepal democracy movement have got to
    see this as the starting point for all we will do.

    (2) Debate, discussions and disagreements are legitimate democratic
    exercises. We talk back and forth.

    (3) Peace, democracy and social justice have to go together to ensure a
    rapid economic growth for the country as a whole. There is no avoiding
    social justice as a topic. If your total thrust is to snuff debate on
    the topic, you are very much a guilty party. You are so obviously
    prejudiced. Or you would instead engage.
    http://groups.google.com/group/progressivenepal

    (4) You are just going to have to deal with the new breed of the
    Madhesi. He is here. He is not going anywhere.
    http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/madhesi.html

    (5) Some of the best ideas in the democratic camp, the entire
    democratic camp, since February have come from me. Make peace with the
    idea. I am at the very center of the developments. Some of the best
    ideas from all three factions to the conflict in Nepal have come from
    me. Acknowledge it. I have offered the best ideas, the best plans, the
    best implementation strategies.

    (6) No Nepali in the diaspora is as into politics as me. And I am
    talking American politics. Amateurs can learn from professionals.

    (7) For now we all have only one goal: bring this regime down before
    February.
    http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/11/to-nd-group-co-puru-subedi....
    So let's get to work. You are not going to reject good ideas just
    because they are coming from a Madhesi. That is the bottomline. Open
    your mind. The world is bigger than you have seen it.