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ICG Report: Making Peace Work In Nepal


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Nepal’s Peace Agreement: Making it Work

Asia Report N°126
15 December 2006

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND RECOMMENDATIONS

Nepal’s government and Maoist rebels have signed a comprehensive peace agreement (CPA) declaring an end to the ten-year civil war, paving the way for inclusion of the rebels in mainstream politics and June 2007 elections to an assembly that is to write a new constitution. The deal has been welcomed by an optimistic public but implementation will not be straightforward: some central questions remain, and there is a serious risk the elections could be delayed, putting strain on the whole process. The UN has very high credibility but it will not last indefinitely, especially if there are delays. International support for its monitoring of both the two armies and the elections will be critical.

The peace agreement charts a course towards elections for a constituent assembly (CA) following formation of an interim legislature and government including the Maoists. In a detailed agreement on arms management, the Maoists have committed to cantonment of their fighters and locking up their weapons under UN supervision; the Nepalese Army (NA) will be largely confined to barracks. The constituent assembly, to be elected through a mixed first-past-the-post and proportional system, will also decide the future of the monarchy.

The CPA was signed on 21 November 2006 after months of slow progress following the success of the April 2006 mass movement that overturned King Gyanendra’s direct rule. The talks were sporadic and at one point came close to collapse. The Seven-Party Alliance (SPA) government was criticised for a lack of urgency and clarity; the Maoists pursued negotiations with more coherence but paid less attention to democratic methods. The process has now delivered significant results but some of the problems that characterised it since April – primarily a lack of solid dialogue mechanisms, poor facilitation, little attention to confidence-building and an opaque, elite-driven approach – may continue to dog the next stages.

The deal has its origins in the November 2005 SPA-Maoist agreement signed in New Delhi, which provided a basis for the April movement and a guiding framework for subsequent compromises. However, it represents a temporary convergence of interests more than a permanent shift in the underlying outlooks and interests of the sides. The SPA and the Maoists retain different visions for Nepal’s future institutions, and individual parties’ electoral interests will come increasingly to the fore. The peace accord will not in itself alter the exclusionary characteristics of public life or deliver urgently needed economic progress.

The significant remaining hurdles will all be exacerbated if elections are postponed:

Weak governance. Post-April confusion turned into a worrying power vacuum across the country, which the Maoists were quick to exploit. The government has failed to re-establish law and order and democratic governance. Control over the civil service, election commission and distribution of local posts – always key bones of contention for mainstream parties – may be particularly intense in the run-up to CA elections.

No deal on security structures. The Maoists want their fighters to be half of a new, downsized national force while the NA still wants them entirely disarmed. Neither army sees itself as defeated, so compromise will be difficult, and lack of progress may cause unrest among cantoned Maoist soldiers. With the NA suspicious of the peace process and yet to embrace democratic control, the Maoist demand for more solid guarantees is understandable.

Maoist behaviour. At least until November, the Maoists continued extortions and abductions while showing little sign they are ready for meaningful power sharing and opening up of democratic space. Demilitarising their politics will require more than just laying down weapons; without this, chances for free and fair elections are limited.

International involvement in the peace process has been mostly low-profile and supportive. The government and Maoists have asked the UN to take on new tasks and provide immediate assistance, and public expectations are high. But getting an effective monitoring force on the ground quickly will be a challenge: questions of mandate, funding, logistics and staffing need to be resolved quickly.

Nevertheless, the peace process has some momentum, which gives good grounds for Nepalis’ optimism. With continued compromise, political will and solid international support, a lasting peace is possible. Apart from shaping future institutional arrangements, the talks have agreed proposals for social and economic transformation – topics of immense public concern. However, only free and fair elections can give a government the necessary decisive mandate. Nothing should be allowed to put them off.

Recommendations

To the Government of Nepal and the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist):

1. Build on the comprehensive peace agreement (CPA) by:

(a) resolving remaining differences quickly and establishing the specified joint bodies and commissions, including, in particular, agreement on the scope and format of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission;

(b) setting realistic timetables for the remainder of the process, including fallback plans if the constituent assembly elections must be postponed;

(c) managing public expectations and disseminating information about the CPA; and

(d) developing provisional arrangements to take urgent decisions as necessary by alternative mechanisms such as joint working groups so any delays in forming an interim government do not stall the peace process.

2. Develop quickly plans to re-establish local governance and rule of law by:

(a) prioritising re-establishment of effective policing, including by involving local Maoist militias in helping to manage the transition in areas they currently control;

(b) deciding on a power-sharing mechanism to restore local government, deliver services and, where appropriate, deal with donors on implementation of local projects; and

(c) proceeding with proposed local peace councils only if they fulfil clearly defined functions which do not make them rival institutions to legitimate local government.

3. Build confidence on military matters by:

(a) establishing effective bilateral frameworks for joint planning on cantonment management and working with donors willing to support the cantonment process;

(b) addressing longer-term army restructuring and merging of Maoist fighters into the national army by establishing a joint committee as soon as the interim government is formed (as specified in the CPA) and proceeding with informal discussions until that date;

(c) developing further confidence-building and dialogue mechanisms that include commanders of both armed forces and working to ensure their active support for the peace process and professional input into discussions over their future form; and

(d) Making the NA-PLA-UN Joint Monitoring Coordination Committee an effective mechanism not just for monitoring agreement compliance but also for developing lower-level coordination to deal with potentially destabilising incidents such as natural disasters or public unrest.

4. Make the next stages of the peace process more inclusive by:

(a) actively seeking public input, including canvassing the views of conflict victims, without assuming that self-appointed groups are necessarily fully representative;

(b) encouraging independent voter education initiatives in the run-up to the constituent assembly elections;

(c) fulfilling promises to ensure fair representation of all marginalised groups (in interim bodies, as candidates for election and in negotiating teams, working groups, joint commissions and the like) and setting up a monitoring body or interim legislature committee to report on implementation;

(d) Expanding public forums, focus groups and local consultation sessions to reach out to communities which have difficulty making their voice heard in the capital and considering holding interim legislature sessions and other such meetings outside the capital;

(e) ensuring key decisions involve all SPA members, not only the top Nepali Congress Party and Maoist leaders, and encouraging broader debate, for example by recognising an official opposition within the interim legislature and consulting with non-SPA parties; and

(f) considering creation of a commission to broaden input into the new constitution-drafting process.

5. Investigate and resolve, as promised, all outstanding cases of alleged disappearances and cooperate in the investigation of criminal acts and war crimes committed during the conflict.

To the Government of Nepal:

6. Prepare for the formation of the interim government by completing implementation of existing policies, including:

(a) strengthening democratic control of the security sector by dissolving the palace military secretariat, bringing royal guards under the Nepalese Army chain of command, halting army recruitment and investigating, as promised, disappearances and other abuses alleged to have been carried out by the security forces;

(b) seeking advice from all concerned groups on implementation of the Rayamajhi Commission report and starting a wider public debate on acceptable forms of transitional justice; and

(c) reducing the size of the palace secretariat and bringing it within the mainstream civil service.

To the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist):

7. Immediately cease all activities that contravene recent agreements and international law and ensure that affiliated and subsidiary organisations do the same, including:

(a) ending extortion, intimidation and abduction;

(b) halting military recruitment and ensuring the prompt discharge of any soldiers younger than eighteen;

(c) recognising that the Maoist “new regime” is now defunct and disbanding all parallel government structures, including indirect mechanisms such as regional fronts;

(d) allowing the police, as agreed in the CPA, to maintain order and investigate criminal activities;

(e) assisting the return home of all conflict-displaced individuals (IDPs) if they wish and expediting the return of seized property; and

(f) demobilising local militia and ensuring they do not act as a parallel police force.

To India, the U.S., the European Union and Other Members of the International Community:

8. Maintain basic coordination, building on the consensus that restoration of rule of law and democratic space across the country is the top priority, and keep pressure on both sides to work towards a genuinely pluralist culture guaranteeing full civil and political rights.

9. Support the UN monitoring mission by:

(a) personnel, including by identifying and preparing candidates as soon as possible;

(b) visible political encouragement, especially from missions in Kathmandu; and

(c) cooperation with the UN to open local political space through coordinated civil affairs and police advisory assistance.

10. Provide effective development, reconstruction and other post-conflict assistance, including by:

(a) employing strict criteria, especially at the local level, when distributing aid to re-establish local governance, and releasing funds only when measurable targets are met, such as redeploying police or getting Village Development Committee secretaries in place and working;

(b) prioritising assistance that supports the opening of political space and the rule of law, even over aid for such security matters as cantonments and disarmament, demobilisation and reintegration (DDR);

(c) ensuring that proposed projects have the buy-in of all parties in the peace process;

(d) supporting the electoral process with money, helping the UN monitoring mission (which may be best placed to coordinate electoral assistance) and building the capacity of the Electoral Commission also beyond the immediate round of polls; and

(e) helping the government develop, including through extensive consultations, a plan for transitional justice that gives citizens a range of options to choose from and can gain broad public support.

Kathmandu/Brussels, 15 December 2006


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पुनःसंरचनाको प्रारूप नेपाली काङ्ग्रेसले राज्य पुनःसंरचनाको खाका तयार गर्न केन्द्रीय सदस्य डा रामवरण यादवको संयोजकत्वमा कार्यदल गठन गरेको छ । ...... "राज्यको चरत्रि सङ्घात्मक हुनेछ भने शासन प्रणाली केन्द्र, प्रदेश र स्थानीय निकायको बीचमा अधिकार र कर्तव्यको स्पष्ट बाँडफाँट गरएिको स्वशासनको ढाँचामा आधारति हुनेछ," एमालेले आफ्नो अवधारणामा भनेको छ, "नयाँ राजनीतिक र प्रशासनिक एकाइको विभाजन गर्दाचाहिँ भौगोलिक अवस्  िथति, जनसङ् ख्या र जातिगत बसोवासको अवस् था, मातृभाषा र भाषाको प्रयोगको अवस्था, सांस्कृतिक सम्मिलनको अवस् था, प्रशासनिक सुगमता, आर्थिक-सामाजिक अन्तरसम्बन्ध, साधन-स्रोतको उपलब्धता र ऐतिहासिकताजस्ता पक्षलाई आधार बनाइनेछ ।" ...... "सङ्घीय संरचनाको विषयमा महाधिवेशनले औपचारकि निर्णय गरसिकेको छ," महामन्त्री विमलेन्द्र निधि भन्छन्, "अबचाहिँ त्यसको विस्तृत स्वरूप तयार गर्न कार्यदल गठन गर्छांै ।" ...... जनमोर्चाका नेता पर िथापा भन्छन्, "अन्तर्राष्ट्रिय सम्बन्ध, राष्ट्रिय सुरक्षा, मुद्राबाहेक अरू सबै अधिकार जातीय, क्षेत्रीय स् वशासनलाई दिनुपर्छ । ....... "केन्द्रले परराष्ट्र, सुरक्षा र मौदि्रक नीतिबाहेक सबै कुराहरू सङ्घलाई दिनुपर्छ । यसो भएमा मात्रै स् वशासनको प्रत्याभूति हुन्छ ।" ...... माले महासचिव सीपी मैनालीका शब्दमा हालको सामन्ती, केन्द्रीकृत, खसजाति केन्दि्रत, पितृसत्तात्मक, औपनिवेशिक प्रभावमा रहको एकात्मक राज्य संरचनालाई बदल्नु नै पुनःसंरचना हो । "त्यसैले केन्द्रीकृत राज्यको सट्टा जातीय-क्षेत्रीय स्वशासन दिनुपर्छ" ...... पार्टीगत हिसाबले नेपाल सद्भावना पार्टी (आनन्दीदेवी) र नेकपा (माओवादी) ले मात्रै सङ्घीय स्वरूप तोकेका छन् । भौगोलिक क्षेत्रका हिसाबले पूर्व पहाडी प्रदेश, केन्द्रीय पहाडी प्रदेश, पश्चिम पहाडी प्रदेश, पूर्व तराई र पश्चिम तराई गरी पाँच प्रान्त बनाउने र हिन्दीलाई नेपाली भाषासरह सम्पर्क भाषाको दर्जा दिनेदेखि राज्यका विभिन्न तहमा मधेशी समुदायका लागि ५० प्रतिशत आरक्षण दिनुपर्ने प्रस्ताव सद्भावना पार्टीको छ । ....... माओवादीको स्थानीय निकायसम्बन्धी निर्देशिकामा केन्द्रीय सत्ताबाहेक नेपालमा सातवटा जातीय र दुईवटा क्षेत्रीय गरी नौवटा स्वायत्त प्रदेशहरू रहने उल्लेख छ । र, ती प्रत्येक राज्यभित्र जिल्लास्तरीय र गाउँ नगर गरी दुई तहका स्थानीय ढाँचा रहने पनि सो पार्टीको जिकिर छ । ...... "काङ्ग्रेस वैज्ञानिक ढङ्गबाट जान चाहन्छ," डा यादव भन्छन्, "अरू पार्टी हडबडाएर कुरा गररिहेका छन् । उनीहरूलाई धेरै क्रान्तिकारी बन्नु छ । जे मन लाग्छ, त्यही बोलिरहेका छन् । " उनका अनुसार, संविधानसभाको निर्वाचनअघि काङ्ग्रेसले पनि आफ्नो विस्तृत विवरणसहितको ठोस अवधारणा बाहिर ल्याउनेछ । काङ्ग्रेस (प्रजातान्त्रिक) का महामन्त्री निधिचाहिँ अन्तरमि संविधान र शान्ति वार्तामा अलमल भएकाले राज्यको पुनःसंरचनामा पार्टीहरूले गृहकार्य गर्न नसकेको स्वीकार गर्छन् । ..... भूगोलविद् डा पीताम्बर शर्माले छवटा सङ्घ र त्यसअन्तर्गत १९ जिल्लाको प्रस्  ताव गरेका छन् । ...... नेपालको जातीय मामिलाका जानकार गोविन्द न्यौपानेले जातीयतालाई आधार बनाउँदै ११ प्रदेशमा विभाजन गरेका छन् भने महेन्द्र लावतीले पनि १३ प्रदेशमा विभाजन गरेका छन् । डा हर्क गुरुङले २५ वटा विकास जिल्लाको प्रस्ताव अघि सारेका थिए । एमाले केन्द्रीय सदस्य राजेन्द्र श्रेष्ठले १४ वटा प्रदेशको अवधारणा ल्याएका छन् भने अर्का केन्द्रीय सदस् य शङ्कर पोखरेलले १५ वटा प्रदेशसहितको प्रस् ताव अघि सारेका छन् । प्राध्यापक कृष्ण खनालले चाहिँ समानुपातिक प्रतिनिधित्वका लागि १४ वटा निर्वाचन क्षेत्रहरूको प्रस्ताव गरेका छन् । ...... मुलुकको कुनै पनि क्ष्ाेत्रमा कुनै एक जातको सघन बसोवास नभएकाले माओवादीको जातीय स् वशासनको अवधारणा अवैज्ञानिक भएको जिकिर अन्य दलहरूले गररिहेका छन् । ........ ३५ लाखभन्दा बढी जनसङ्ख्या भएका क्षेत्रीदेखि केवल एक सय ६४ सङ्ख्या भएका कुसुन्डासम्म बसोवास गर्छन् । ..... सङ्ख्यात्मक हिसाबले सबैभन्दा ठूलो समूहमा पर्ने क्षेत्री समुदाय १५ दशमलव ८० प्रतिशत छन् भने त्यसपछिको ठूलो समूह बाहुन १२ दशमलव ७४ प्रतिशत मात्रै छन् । यीबाहेक मगर, थारु, तामाङ र नेवार जातिचाहिँ पाँच प्रतिशतभित्र पर्छन् । कुल जनसङ् ख्याको एक प्रतिशतसम्म भाग ओगट्ने जनजाति त १८ वटा छन् । बाँकी सबै एक प्रतिशतभन्दा कम सङ्ख्यामा छन् । ........ ७५ जिल्लामध्ये क्षेत्री नौवटामा र मगर, थारु, तामाङ, नेवार र गुरुङ एक-एकवटामा गरी जम्मा १४ जिल्लामा मात्र कुनै एक जात, जनजातिको पूर्ण बहुमत रहेको देखिन्छ । ........ मधेशी जनाधिकार फोरमले चाहिँ भूगोलका आधारमा राज्यको पुनःसंरचना गरनिुपर्ने प्रस्ताव अघि सारेको छ । त्यसो गर्दा पूर्वमेचीदेखि पश्चिम महाकालीसम्म समग्र मधेशलाई एउटा प्रदेश बनाउनुपर्ने जिकिर पनि उनीहरूको छ । "मधेशलाई टुक्राटुक्रा पार्ने हो भने मिथिलाबाहेक अन्य प्रदेशमा मधेशको मानिसको प्रतिनिधित्व हुन सक्दैन," फोरमका सचिवालय सदस्य जयप्रकाशप्रसाद गुप्ता भन्छन् । ............ झन्डै १३ प्रतिशत जनसङ्ख्या रहेको दलितहरूको आधार क्षेत्र नै छैन । ...... दलित एक जात समूह मात्र नभई क्षेत्रीय, भाषिक एवम् जातीय हिसाबले समेत विभाजित छ । ..... राजनीति र प्रशासनमा बाहुन, क्षेत्री र नेवार समुदायको वर्चस्व छ तर त्यसको मुख्य आधार वर्ग नै रहेको छ । ...... दलित र अन्य अल्पसङ्ख्यक समुदायले पनि आरक्षणको माग गररिहेका छन् । "हामी आरक्षणभन्दा पनि अधिकारको आधारमा सुरक्षित गर्ने भन्छौँ," सद्भावनाकी सरतिा गिरी भन्छिन्, "मधेशमा महिलाहरूका लागि निर्वाचन क्षेत्र नै सुरक्षित गर्नुपर्छ ।" ..... "माओवादीले आत्मनिर्णयको अधिकारसहितको जातीय-क्षेत्रीय स्वशासन भनेका छन् भने हामीले आत्मनिर्णयको अधिकारको सिद्धान्तका आधारमा जातीय स्वशासन भनेका छौँ," नेपाल आदिवासी जनजाति महासङ्घका महासचिव ओम गुरुङ भन्छन्, "हामीले भन्दै आएको आत्मनिर्णयको अधिकार छुट्टनिे अधिकार होइन ।" ....... मधेशमा क्रियाशील हुँदै आएको मधेशी जनाधिकार फोरमको धारणाचाहिँ भिन्न छ । फोरमका सचिवालय सदस्य जेपी गुप्ताको भनाइमा आत्मनिर्णयको अधिकार भनेको स्वशासन हो । तर, यसलाई छुट्टएिर जाने अधिकार हो भन्ने व्याख्या गर्दै राज्यको पुनःसंरचनाको विरुद्धमा जनमत तयार गर्न लागेको उनको आरोप छ । ...... नेपालमा पछिल्लो जनगणनाले ९२ वटा भाषा र बोलीहरूको पहिचान गरेको छ । ..... नेपाली भाषालाई मातृभाषाका रूपमा प्रयोग गर्नेहरूको सङ्ख्यासमेत पूर्ण बहुमतमा देखिँदैन । मातृभाषाका रूपमा प्रचलनमा रहेका अन्य भाषाहरूमा मैथिली, भोजपुरी, थारु, तमाङ, नेवारी, अवधि, गुरुङ र लिम्बू भाषा रहेका छन् । जसलाई मातृभाषाका रूपमा प्रयोग गर्नेहरूको सङ्ख्या एक देखि १२ प्रतिशतसम्म रहेको छ । .... एमाले नेता शङ्कर पोखरेल भन्छन्, "कुनै पनि जातिको मुख्य पहिचान भाषा नै हो ।" उनको भनाइमा एक प्रतिशतभन्दा बढी भएको भाषा र जातिलाई कुनै न कुनै स्थानमा उनीहरूको बाहुल्य हुने ढाँचा खोज्नुपर्छ भने राज्यको पुनःसंरचना गर्दा सांस्कृतिक पहिचानलाई पनि उत्तिकै ध्यान दिनुपर्छ । "केन्द्रीय राज्यसत्ताको जातीय र सांस्  कृतिक प्रभुत्वको नीतिले नेपालका कतिपय समुदायका अगुवाहरूमा नेपाल देश हाम्रो हो तर राज्य होइन भन्ने धारणा विकास भएको पाइन्छ," पोखरेल भन्छन् । ...... सद्भावना नेतृ सरतिा गिरी भन्छिन्, "सबै राजनीतिक दलहरूले राज्यको पुनःसंरचना गर्नुपर्छ भन्ने कुरामा सहमति जनाउनु नै ठूलो उपलब्धि हो ।" ....... यतिखेर सबै राजनीतिक दलहरू राज्य पुनःसंरचनाबारे आफ्नो अवधारणा तयार गर्न व्यस्त छन् । सबैले सिद्धान्ततः यसलाई स्वीकार गरसिकेका छन् । तैपनि, विस्तृत प्रारूप तयार भइसकेको छैन । ...... संविधानसभामा गणतन्त्रपछिको प्रमुख मुद्दा यही नै हुनेछ । ......पृथ्वीनारायण शाहको राज्य विस्तार अभियानअगाडि नेपाल करीब करीब सङ्घात्मक राज्यकै स्वरूपमा थियो । अब सङ्घीय संरचनामा जानु भनेको पृथ्वीनारायण शाहले बलपूर्वक लादेको एकात्मक राज्यलाई भत्काउने र खोसिएका अर्थात् दबाइएका जातीय, भाषिक, सांस्कृतिक र भौगोलिक अधिकारहरूको पुनःस्थापना गर्नु हो । काठमाडौँ केन्दि्रत अवसर र विकासलाई विकेन्द्रीकृत गर्ने हो । केन्द्रमा रहेको शासकीय अधिकार जनतामा ल्याउनु हो । ...... केन्द्र, प्रदेश, जिल्ला र गाउँ सरकार गरी चारवटा तह पनि बनाउन सकिन्छ । ...... सङ्घात्मकतामा आधारति केन्द्र, प्रदेश र स्थानीय निकायको अधिकार र दायित्वबारे स्पष्ट हुनुपर्दछ । त्यसको अभावमा केन्द्र, प्रदेश र स्थानीय निकायबीच अनावश्यक द्वन्द्व र टकराव उत्पन्न हुनसक्दछ । नेपालको सन्दर्भमा केन्द्रसँग राष्ट्रिय सुरक्षा, वैदेशिक सम्बन्ध, केन्द्रीय ब्याङ्क, मुद्रा र वित्तीय प्रणाली, रेलवे, हवाई र प्रमुख राष्ट्रिय मार्गहरू, सर्वाेच्च अदालत, ठूला जलविद्युत् आयोजना, बहुप्रादेशिक प्राकृतिक सम्पदाहरूको बाँडफाँट र प्रादेशिक विभाजनको सामाञ्जस्यता अधिकार र दायित्व हुनुपर्दछ । प्रदेशमा विधायकी अधिकारसहितको संसद्, न्यायालय, सार्वजनिक सुरक्ष्ाा, व्यापार, उद्योग, श्रम व्यवस्था, सडक, वन, जल र जमीनको व्यवस्थापन तथा उपयोग, शिक्ष्ाा र स्वास्थ्यलगायतका अधिकार हुनुपर्छ । ...... हामीकहाँ प्रचलित 'वेस्ट मिनिस्टर' मोडेल काम लाग्दैन । ..... स्वीट्जरल्यान्ड र दक्षिण अपि|mकामा झैँ राज्यको ढाँचामा जुन पार्टीको जति प्रतिशत भोट छ, त्यसकै आधारमा सहमति कायम गर्दै काम गर्ने पद्धति हुनुपर्दछ । ....... राष्ट्र प्रमुख भने प्रत्यक्ष निर्वाचनबाट चयन हुने व्यवस्था गरनिुपर्दछ ....... एउटा निश्चित विकासको स्थितिमा नपुगेसम्म अल्पसङ्ख्यक भाषाभाषी, जनजाति, मधेशी र धर्मलाई हरेक तहको प्रतिनिधिसभाको उम्मेदवारी, सरकारी प्रशासन, न्यायालय, सेना, प्रहरी र निर्वाचित निकायमा आरक्ष्ाणको व्यवस्था गरनिुपर्छ । ...... लिपि र साहित्य भएका प्रत्येक भाषालाई सरकारी कामकाजको भाषा घोषित गर्नुपर्छ । अन्तर्राष्ट्रिय सम्पर्क, राष्ट्रिय सम्पर्क भाषा र आफ्नो मातृभाषालाई आधार बनाउनु पर्दछ । आफ्नो लिपि र साहित्य नभएकालाई पनि अड्डा-अदालत र संसद्मा बोल्ने हक हुनुपर्दछ । ...... क्रान्तिकारी भूमिसुधार गरी भूमिमा उनीहरूको अधिकार स्थापित गराउनुपर्दछ । यसो गर्दा भूमिको अधिकार मात्रै स्थापित हँुदैन, उत्पादन पनि बढ्दछ । ...... भूमिसुधारबिना कृषिलाई व्यवसायीकरण र औद्योगीकरण गर्न सकिँदैन । मुलुकको प्रमुख क्षेत्र कृषिको विकासबिना मुलुकको समृद्धि सम्भव छैन । ....... पार्टीहरूको पनि लोकतान्त्रीकरण हुनैपर्दछ र पार्टीमा सबै जाति, भाषा, लिङ्ग, वर्गको समावेशीकरण हुनैपर्दछ । ....... पार्टीको संरचनामा प्रवेश गर्नै नसकेका समुदायहरूलाई पार्टीको संरचनामा ल्याउन र महिलाहरूलाई ३३ प्रतिशत सहभागीको ग्यारेन्टी गर्न पार्टीमा बाध्यकारी व्यवस्थाहरू तय गर्नुपर्दछ । ...... नेतृत्व छनोट गर्दा संसदीय सुनुवाइ वा जनसुनुवाइको व्यवस्था गरी न्याय क्षेत्रलाई पूर्ण लोकतान्त्रिक, पारदर्शी र जनआधारति बनाउनुपर्दछ । ..... पूर्णरूपमा भेदभावयुक्त, थोरै मालिकहरू र धेरै नोकरहरू, थोरै सामन्तहरू र धेरै दासहरू, थोरै राजाहरू र धेरै रैतिहरू भएको गरीब तथा प्रतिष्ठा गुमाएको एउटा हिमाली राष्ट्रका रूपमा विश्व मानचित्रमा नेपालको परचिय निर्माण भयो । ...... विदेश सम्बन्ध र सुरक्षाबाहेकका सबै विषयको अन्तिम निर्णय प्रदेश आफैँले गर्न पाउनुपर्दछ । ...... यसका लागि हाम्रो जस्तै भूपरविेष्ठित सानो युरोपेली राष्ट्र स्वीट्जर ल्यान्डले अवलम्बन गरेको स्वीस महासङ्घीय संरचना उपयुक्त हुनसक्छ । धार्मिक, सांस् कृतिक र जातीय विविधता भएको स्वीट्जरल्यान्डले चारवटा भाषाहरूलाई राष्ट्रिय भाषाको मान्यता प्रदान गरेको छ भने आफ्ना सबै प्रान्तहरूलाई स्वायत्तता र आत्मनिर्णयको अधिकार दिएको छ । ........ धार्मिक र जातीय प्रश्नहरू अब आर्थिक मापदण्डको आधारमा हल हुनुपर्दछ । आज कतिपय ब्राह्मण, क्ष्ाेत्री-ठकुरीहरू सबैभन्दा कमजोर आर्थिक जीवन यापन गररिहेका छन् । जङ्गलमा बस्ने कुसुन्डा, राउटे हुन् अथवा गरीब जनजाति मधेशी वा ब्राह्मण, क्षेत्री, ठकुरी हुन .......

Saturday, December 16, 2006

SEBS Online Forum: Hate Speech On Madhesi Issue


Most of the rant is plain hate speech from sickos who dare not put their real identities behind their diatribes. I have nothing to say in response except that, like Eminem said about his homophobic lyrics, if I am sick enough to think it, I am sick enough to say it.

The hate speech just goes on to prove my point that the anti-Madhesi prejudice is the fundamental social justice issue in Nepal. Everything else pales in comparison.

By the way, I did not bother to read through the filth. The subject line says it all.

As for the issues, I have discussed them all at length online, and do not feel the need to repeat myself.

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Topic: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
xdx 11/13/2006 8:15:28 PM EST
Is it just me or other sebser's email address is full of this crap.
I never subscribed his newsletters or his blogs, but every week i receive something from him.
I think he is misusing SEBS, and using the email adds listed on this site.

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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
yes 11/13/2006 9:14:47 PM EST
same problem here... i have emailed him about it and he told me to 'unsubscribe' from his list.... which i'm not subscribed to in the first place. he uses email adds from sebsonline directory.

plus this is not the first time. bhagat bro... all the best with what you're doing but have some empathy towards fellow human beings man....

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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
anonymous 11/13/2006 10:01:53 PM EST
Let me be anonymous out here.
Same thing has happened to me several times. I even unsubscribed it twice. Still, a couple of days ago, I received another subscription email saying Paramendra (with a different email id this time) has ......

What the ****...
I sent him an email....It is too much now. He has to stop that, else I will have to complain to the google group abuse centre.

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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
pidit 11/13/2006 10:58:17 PM EST
That's exactly my problem. Bhagat is misusing the SEBS directory.

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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
dhoka 11/13/2006 11:46:02 PM EST
i dont think nobody wastes time to read his email nontheless iam tirred of deleting his email twice in a day.his ideas really suck. pain in the butt!
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
Puskar 11/14/2006 6:45:28 AM EST
I receive P. Bhagat dai's blog very frequently too. Mostly I just delete them. But I enjoy reading some of
his catchy topics. If I dont like it, I dont mind just couple of mouse clicks and deleting them.

I found it really interesting when Bhagat dai thinks that Prachanda wants to be the President of Nepal.
I do not agree with that. I believe that Girirja is corrupt but the guy is shrewd and not dumb. But
the way he puts Girija and Prachanda..I think it would be much bettter if he could express things
more politically correct. same thing when he talks on madeshi and Phadi issue..

hey i am a pahadi by birth and I definoitely accept that there is discrimination against madeshi..ad I dig
bhagat dai is doing there
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
reel 11/14/2006 9:48:32 AM EST
Granted, people may find Mr. Bhagat's writings interesting or at least thought provoking. That is not the issue here. There is no excuse for sending people bulk emails without their explicit permission, no matter how great the content is. Somebody from SEBS-NA should ask Mr. Bhagat to cease his spamming methods if indeed he just spidered people's emails from the SEBS directory.

It is clear his intent is not just to share his writings, evidenced by the number of banner ads littering his blog, not to mention the Donation button.

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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
Yubraj, General Secretary, SEBS-North America 11/14/2006 10:05:48 AM EST
I have notified Paramendra dai of this, requesting him to take off from his mailing list all email addresses he has added from the SEBS directory. I will let everyone here know when I hear back. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I honestly hope this does not discourage others from updating their profiles. Let's work together to keep the profiles updated -- we will do everything possible to prevent misuse.
Yubraj
General Secretary, SEBS-North America
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
Paramendra 11/14/2006 3:30:25 PM EST
My DFN Blog mailing list sends out 1-2 emails a month. Each such email has a footer that gives you a clear instruction to unsubscribe if you might so wish.

It so happens to be one of the largest Google groups at Google Groups, period.

This whining is so unnecessary. Takes less time to unsubscribe. I doubt I will visit this thread again.

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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
yagya 11/14/2006 5:04:47 PM EST

Quote: Originally posted by yagya

Paramendra Dai,
I personally do not have problem with couple of additional junk mails, but after reading your comment on a genuine problem I am forced to say that you are trying to ignore the real issue here. I do not believe that you have failed to understand the real concern raised here. I think you are too smart for that. The issue here is not about how big your group is, what the frequency of your e-mail is or even what inconvenience the unfortunate receiver has, but after your reply I am convinced that you misused the sebsonline e-mail directory and now you are refusing to either accept the mistake or fix the problem.
I hope you will realize that the directory serves greater purpose most of the time. For somebody like me trying to come up with batch profiles or somebody trying to locate a long lost friend the directory is an essential tool. If members start misusing it people will either delete their profiles or stop updating them.
This website has reached the present status due to priceless efforts of many many individuals over the years and I would hate to see it reduced down to a "gafaadi akhaadaa." I hope you will be more considerate.
Yagya N Regmi
PS: I hope SEBS-NA will persue the issue before it's too late.


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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
anonymous 11/14/2006 5:15:04 PM EST
Paramendra dai,
I had unsubscribed on July 18,2006 but you added me again with your different email id recently. Check the General pictures for the proof...I have uploaded the screen prints.
So, you want to leave us to unsubscribe everytime you add us?

Look at your attitude...it is you who is misusing the email ids and rather than feeling sorry for that, you think it is our stupidity that we are complaining here...Why do you add people when they don't want it? For me, this is probably the third time I have unsubscribed, I happened to delete the first one but I had saved the rest...

So, please, please, leave the people alone...

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Private information ko misuse
500B 11/14/2006 6:04:47 PM EST
I think Parmendra dai is missing the point here. You have no right, even as a fellow SEBS member, to misuse the information that is available to SEBS as an entity.

SEBS has had a lengthy issue with publication of member information in its directory. Generally speaking, the practice of making public privileged or confidential information is a risky process. It is an act that requires constant and careful vigilance. In case of SEBS or any other member oganization, it is a catch-22. Networking, especially accross borders, cannot be sustained without some sort of open-access to membership. SEBS is a strong entity today because of strong networking ties amongst its members. On the other hand, there are people who were hellbent on utilizing any and every piece of information for commercial or private gains. Marriage proposals, airline tickets, Thamel.com offers, lewd and obscene remarks, personal attacks-yes, we have seen them all. What we have realized is that when it comes to electronic information, it is even a greater nightmare because of the ease at which information can be accessed and misused.

During the inception of the directory there were measurable glitches, but nothing catastrophic. It all happened because SEBS failed to implement a rigorous, standardized protocol, whereby the the privacy of its members would not be compromised under any circumstance. It was only after several iterations that this practice was perfected. But since every organization goes through the motions, so to speak, we should feel fortunate that these glitches were quickly ironed out.

But nonetheless, when it comes to preserving confidential information, SEBS is still heavily dependent on one key assumption and that is the good-citizenry of its members. Be it in the forums, links, or travel-help pages, it is assumed that the members will behave in democratic manner while posting and accessing privileged information (with a small price to pay by logging in). Basically, the microcosm of SEBS Online is parallel to a free & functional society. Trust and code of law are the pillars of this microcosm.

But Paramendra dai, your use of privileged information, without prior consent of fellow members, violates that code. It is an impermissible use of information that was not available to begin with-especially in the light of the rauchy ideas that your DFN subscribes to.

As an ordinary member, I am left wondering why SEBS allowed all of this to happen. I would be okay if SEBS would put up a DFN Banner or even dedicate a forum for Parmendra's cause in its website. After all, SEBS should stand up for its members, especially given the fact that Parmendra's ideas, while self-serving at times, are meant for the betterment and recognition of one of the under-represented minorities in the Nepali populace. His mission is praiseworthy.

But the relentless and bullish bombardment of one's privacy is no way to achieve that feat.
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
pramendra is an ... 11/14/2006 6:38:08 PM EST
There are a lot of assholes but Pramendra is a distinct one. He openly admitted that he is the one committing all these crimes. Does SEBS have guts to restrict his membership to this site until he abides by its norms and rules.

HATE PRAMENDRA BHAGAT BULLSHIT!


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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
two cents 11/15/2006 9:46:54 AM EST

Quote: Originally posted by Paramendra

My DFN Blog mailing list sends out 1-2 emails a month. Each such email has a footer that gives you a clear instruction to unsubscribe if you might so wish.

It so happens to be one of the largest Google groups at Google Groups, period.

This whining is so unnecessary. Takes less time to unsubscribe. I doubt I will visit this thread again.


Parmendra dai, congratulations. I had no idea that your blog happened to be one of the largest google groups. That is an achievement. I also appreciate that your emails contain clear instruction to unsubscribe if one might so wish.
I wonder if they have a prize for "size of the blog and clarity in terms of disengagement"...I will vote for you. Alas, you said you will not revisit the thread....
Oh, btw, for the rest of us, who do not like getting those emails:
Why is Google Groups sending me email? I never signed up for the service.
Google Groups allows group owners to directly add users as a convenient way of transferring members from other services. We don't intend this to be used to build lists for unsolicited email; we don't like spam, and using the "Add Members" feature in this way violates both the spirit of Google Groups and our official Terms of Service. To see our Terms of Service, click the link below. If you think a group owner is abusing this feature, please let us know about it by clicking the "contact us" link at the bottom of this page, then clicking "If you'd like to report abuse, please click here." On the report page, include the group's address, select "Other," and in the text field please include the words "The group owner added me without asking."
As, parmendra dai said, it is indeed very simple.
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idea!!! 11/15/2006 12:56:37 PM EST
I have an idea!!!! bhagat dai is great and he should recieve more concern by the sebs members than any other members. we all should forward the message we recieve from him to his own address so that he can be the most messege receiver in the google network.
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
Ke 11/15/2006 12:57:04 PM EST
Yup, I agree.....that is a bullshit excuse from Paramendra dai.
I for one, don't find his 'publications' either thoughtful or engaging.
The fact that he does take initiative is a good thing, but this 'holier than thou' attitude is very put offing.
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
haha 11/15/2006 8:48:45 PM EST
hahah paramendra the sebs terrorist is here.... be afraid, very afraid. he'll smash the status quo... look at all these people shaken to the marrow... paramendara is going to restore order... a new world order is on the plates... paramendra will set things right.. yoo hooo... hahah whine all you want but bhagat is going to kick you. yaa hooo... hahah fear complacent email users... your days of peaceful mailing is over. terror alert code: orange.
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
pablum 11/16/2006 11:38:29 AM EST

Quote: Originally posted by Paramendra

My DFN Blog mailing list sends out 1-2 emails a month. Each such email has a footer that gives you a clear instruction to unsubscribe if you might so wish.

It so happens to be one of the largest Google groups at Google Groups, period.

This whining is so unnecessary. Takes less time to unsubscribe. I doubt I will visit this thread again.



paramendra is becoming more of an arrogant airhead day by day. you'd hate to insult him personally, but his remarks leave no other choice.

1. it doesn't matter how many emails you send out a month - 1 or 100.
2. it doesn't matter that the email has an unsubscribe button.
3. it doesn't matter that it happens to be one of the largest google groups (which comes as no surprise since the list probably includes more than a few annoyed recipients).

all those things don't matter because sending bulk emails out without consent is called SPAM, and that is what you do.

that you label our genuine privacy concerns as whining shows your arrogance and disregard for others.

that is why i have no qualms about reporting you to google for abuse.

to others, if you keep receiving unwanted emails from paramendra (now that he has been told to stop), i suggest you do the same.

http://groups.google.com/groups/abuse
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
what? 11/16/2006 8:34:24 PM EST
bhagat bro, is this the kind of attitude we should expect from you should you ever obtain a position of authority in nepal? i am not impressed!
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
gambler 11/16/2006 9:21:46 PM EST
is anybody willing to bet against me that paramendra bhagat doesn't get the point and instead starts to blame the sebs 'pahadis' for ganging up against him and his madhesi issues?
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
migrated 11/17/2006 1:32:35 AM EST
it is enough guys. i think we are not talking about his ideology but his misuse of sebs directory.
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
nylon 11/17/2006 1:34:02 AM EST
now he will come up with another article saying he is the most discussed guy at sebsonline...another accomplishment...hehe
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
tee 11/17/2006 1:49:57 AM EST
now where did santosh munna come from? what's this about..... ?? hope you can explain it or don't write stupid stuff.
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
madhise 11/17/2006 8:05:23 PM EST
I just received an e-mail from bhagat again. jati bhane pani lagdaina murkha lai. sebs ma koi hacker chaina bhagat ko e-mail hack garna lai
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
NA 11/17/2006 9:30:49 PM EST

Quote: Originally posted by Paramendra

My DFN Blog mailing list sends out 1-2 emails a month. Each such email has a footer that gives you a clear instruction to unsubscribe if you might so wish.

It so happens to be one of the largest Google groups at Google Groups, period.

This whining is so unnecessary. Takes less time to unsubscribe. I doubt I will visit this thread again.


PARAMENDRA!
You used the email address at your will and never asked us to subscribe to your DFN blog. Now you are telling us to unsubscribe. That sort of logic doesnot work and surely it tells a lot about you as a person . If we had previously accepted some terms and conditiions, then it makes sense we have to unsubscribe ourselves. It might take just seconds to unsubscribe but, you sould do it yourself as you were the one to subscribe these addresses to your blog. It cannot be like - "I will do whatever I like and if anythig goes wrong, you take the blame"
Just stop it!
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
curious 11/18/2006 11:17:24 AM EST
I totally agree that what Paramendra did is morally wrong and his attitude is also not helping much. But, it might help to keep things in perspective. Though I hardly read his blogs, I do not mind deleting them largely because they are not many (one to two a month) and that I receive lot of junk mails from places I did not give my e-mail address to!
My main point here is that we have not yet reached a point where we need to take a harsher measure (like not including e-mail address in the directory) as the benefits clearly outweigh the cost (at least so far!).
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
What???? 11/18/2006 12:18:53 PM EST
There is nothing legally wrong with parammendra sending emails as long as he give you
option to un-subscribe.

I get irriatetd with parammendra's blog but no complain. he has done nothing wrong by sending it
get a life guys ..just send it to junk folder or whatever





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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
me2 11/18/2006 10:59:44 PM EST
Paramendra is not going to buzz, even if he is wrong. Its his attitude.

I believe that most of us get his emails. we are definitely annoyed.
So, lets send some forwarded emails everyday to his account. May be that will make him respond to our concern.
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
None 11/19/2006 4:23:34 AM EST
What is the use of having your email address on the directory? Is it really only for a few selective sebsers whom you think of as friends or with whom you seem to think alike or to get some useless piece of information, like some one died, or something happened to someone? They're all the same. Parmander's appeals and Hemender's death are pretty much the same to me . I don't think it is really appropriate to bitch at Rajan (assuming he's the still the network administrator or editor or whatever) or Parmendra for sending out emails. All they're doing is sharing what they think is important info and news that affects people besides themselves. Why all the big fuss? This is a small ass forum for SEBS with a readership of couple of thousand people at most, but the fucking cream of Nepalese students are too damn lazy to filter the information that's thrown at them and are bitching about getting two emails a month when they're junk folder as well as inbox are inundated with viagra ads and spams about horny junkies.

Please, if you don't want emails coming to you from sebs members or are too lazy to unsubscribe. Don't give it to sebs.

I don't really care how many or which sebs dies, its bad news and I don't want it. But how appropriate would it be for me to bitch at, slander, and criticize Rajan or Onta for emailing me news of sebser's death, and calling them death mongers? I know it's an extreme example and not exactly on the spot. But I hope you get my gist and shut the f up.
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
pirate 11/19/2006 9:57:53 AM EST

None,
The issue here is not like as you potrayed. SEBS does not send out emails unless it is for the benefit of the organization and its networking. SEBS is an institution and it does have rights to reach out to its members as far as there aren't commercial ads propping up in your emails from SEBS.

Furthermore, SEBS doesn't even send out its newsletter to everyone. It only sends it to those who have subscribed to it. So, stop creating your own news on this.

In addition, the issue about Paramendra is serious and you seem to be one hell of a dumb guy who did not even bother to read all people have written here. Did you read one of the posts where the user unsubscribed to be subscribed again at a later date? This is definitely illegal and Paramendra doesn't even care about this. This is what annoys me the most....

PS: Check out the general pictures section for a proof of Paramendra adding one user again at a later date after he/she unsubscribed from his blog.


Quote: Originally posted by None

What is the use of having your email address on the directory? Is it really only for a few selective sebsers whom you think of as friends or with whom you seem to think alike or to get some useless piece of information, like some one died, or something happened to someone? They're all the same. Parmander's appeals and Hemender's death are pretty much the same to me . I don't think it is really appropriate to bitch at Rajan (assuming he's the still the network administrator or editor or whatever) or Parmendra for sending out emails. All they're doing is sharing what they think is important info and news that affects people besides themselves. Why all the big fuss? This is a small ass forum for SEBS with a readership of couple of thousand people at most, but the fucking cream of Nepalese students are too damn lazy to filter the information that's thrown at them and are bitching about getting two emails a month when they're junk folder as well as inbox are inundated with viagra ads and spams about horny junkies.

Please, if you don't want emails coming to you from sebs members or are too lazy to unsubscribe. Don't give it to sebs.

I don't really care how many or which sebs dies, its bad news and I don't want it. But how appropriate would it be for me to bitch at, slander, and criticize Rajan or Onta for emailing me news of sebser's death, and calling them death mongers? I know it's an extreme example and not exactly on the spot. But I hope you get my gist and shut the f up.

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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
" " 11/20/2006 8:33:08 PM EST
your rejoinder is extreme. you ought to be clear in mind that sebs doesnt not serve as platform to sent "junks" as Parmendra does.i am "inundated with viagra ads and spams about horny junkies". so what?
damn it , i care to be informed if my fellow sebser is a victim of a mishap. you touch a moral line when you make an comparion betn the pramendra's blog and demise of a sebser.
objecton!

Quote: Originally posted by None

What is the use of having your email address on the directory? Is it really only for a few selective sebsers whom you think of as friends or with whom you seem to think alike or to get some useless piece of information, like some one died, or something happened to someone? They're all the same. Parmander's appeals and Hemender's death are pretty much the same to me . I don't think it is really appropriate to bitch at Rajan (assuming he's the still the network administrator or editor or whatever) or Parmendra for sending out emails. All they're doing is sharing what they think is important info and news that affects people besides themselves. Why all the big fuss? This is a small ass forum for SEBS with a readership of couple of thousand people at most, but the fucking cream of Nepalese students are too damn lazy to filter the information that's thrown at them and are bitching about getting two emails a month when they're junk folder as well as inbox are inundated with viagra ads and spams about horny junkies.

Please, if you don't want emails coming to you from sebs members or are too lazy to unsubscribe. Don't give it to sebs.

I don't really care how many or which sebs dies, its bad news and I don't want it. But how appropriate would it be for me to bitch at, slander, and criticize Rajan or Onta for emailing me news of sebser's death, and calling them death mongers? I know it's an extreme example and not exactly on the spot. But I hope you get my gist and shut the f up.


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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
disgusted 11/21/2006 1:49:17 AM EST
What a b'shit - not even worth responding to.

Quote: Originally posted by None

What is the use of having your email address on the directory? Is it really only for a few selective sebsers whom you think of as friends or with whom you seem to think alike or to get some useless piece of information, like some one died, or something happened to someone? They're all the same. Parmander's appeals and Hemender's death are pretty much the same to me . I don't think it is really appropriate to bitch at Rajan (assuming he's the still the network administrator or editor or whatever) or Parmendra for sending out emails. All they're doing is sharing what they think is important info and news that affects people besides themselves. Why all the big fuss? This is a small ass forum for SEBS with a readership of couple of thousand people at most, but the fucking cream of Nepalese students are too damn lazy to filter the information that's thrown at them and are bitching about getting two emails a month when they're junk folder as well as inbox are inundated with viagra ads and spams about horny junkies.

Please, if you don't want emails coming to you from sebs members or are too lazy to unsubscribe. Don't give it to sebs.

I don't really care how many or which sebs dies, its bad news and I don't want it. But how appropriate would it be for me to bitch at, slander, and criticize Rajan or Onta for emailing me news of sebser's death, and calling them death mongers? I know it's an extreme example and not exactly on the spot. But I hope you get my gist and shut the f up.

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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
puskar 11/21/2006 6:39:16 AM EST
parmendra sent to both of mine gmail and hotmail addresses. I unscribed paramendra's blog on my hotmail account. It takes two clicks but it works..

i do not see why people are making big deal about paramendra's blog..just unsuscribe

i do not agree with everything paramendra says but I am proud that someone from sebs is very
proactive and raising different issues and thoughts in nepal..

actually I would recommend having a blog section for sebs member..instead of discouraging people
who have positive motives





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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
puskar 11/21/2006 6:40:42 AM EST
the personal attack against paramendra dai are million times worse and humiliating than than the blogs he sent
out...
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
11/21/2006 10:08:51 AM EST
nobody said that this person's blogs were bad or humiliating so of course the attacks are going to be worse and humiliating. paramendra sending out the blogs to people repeatedly IS horrible and humiliating, and he fails to show respect to the community that is sebsonline. Further, his actions call for a personal response because he is personally responsible for sending out the blogs to people who havent subscribed to them. He does not even care what SEbS members have to say but is only concerned with sending them out without permission.
That guy should be temporarily restricted from sebsonline, if not completely banned.

Quote: Originally posted by puskar

the personal attack against paramendra dai are million times worse and humiliating than than the blogs he sent
out...

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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
pirate 11/21/2006 10:48:24 AM EST

Puskar bro,

Had you seen the two screen prints I have uploaded in the general picture section, you wouldn't dare to make that statement. In fact, I have unsubscribed twice to be subscribed again at a later date. This is simply irresponsible and a blatant abuse of my email id.
I'd also disagree with your claim that he is proactive. I would rather call him a segregation specialist...trying to segregate Nepal from the US heartland.
He is a hypo...blogging from NY for the masses in Terai who probably don't even know about internet, let alone blogging...And having positive impacts???? If the educated and generally politically docile Sebsers cannot take his ideas, do you think Nepalese in general will agree to his dumb-founded ideas?

Never...so all I want is a paramendra-free email id of mine....


Quote: Originally posted by puskar



i do not see why people are making big deal about paramendra's blog..just unsuscribe


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200B 11/21/2006 1:32:24 PM EST
boy what a great examples of nepal's elite democratic process. I am for against hiding my email from the list. In various occasions have been contacted my friends unexpectedly becoz they found me in sebs directory. I am surprised by our SEBs NA bhais who are now trying to make an issue of something so mundane. This is what i call is lack of leadership. Instead of the organization putting up a notice against racial slurs that have been used against paramendra, now you want to censor the damn email???
I am on paramendra's list and I completely disagree with his thoughts but I enjoy reading his blogs. I find them much entertaining than some bullshit topics that gets discussed on this site. Guys give the guy a break. He is following his passion and very few of us has done what he has done. you dont want him to receive his email unsubscribe, if that does not work call him...the number is available in tel. directory than to mock him like you are doing.
SEBS NA please show a solid leadership around these types of issues.
PEACE!
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Caffeine 11/21/2006 2:20:35 PM EST
And here you go Mr 200B, attacking the SEBS leadership.
Where in this forum did you see racial slurs?
Like a lot of people in the forum, I do not agree with Parmendra. I was able to unsubscribe from his newsletter only after three tries. But I am not complaining. However, a fair number of people are not too happy about receiving his emails. They, like you, do not agree with his views. But they, unlike you, are probably not his classmates and do not give a rats ass about what he has to say in his blog or his emails. To continuously send people mass emails against their wish is morally wrong. He is MISUSING the SEBS directory. You say you enjoy getting unexpected emails from old friends. I too have been using the directory to lookup friends as long as it has been in existence. I do not want people to start withdrawing their information because of this "mundane" issue.

I think SEBS NA has shown solid leadership regarding this issue. Spamming and the abuse of the SEBS directory, be it by someone who is supposedly "following his passion" like Parmendra, or by anyone else, is unacceptable. And if the SEBS NA leadership is taking steps to curb that, then I applaud them for that.
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puskar 11/21/2006 2:25:37 PM EST
When you unsuscribe you have to do it twice. It will send you email and you have to confirm that
you really want to unsuscribe. I did that and went through fine

if paramendra wants to speak for the people of terai ....how would that be segregation? I am not a madeshi
myself but i have seen so much discrimation against madesi class in nepal.... well atleast people like
paramendra are starting to say things ...i know i am not ok with some of the thing he says..











Quote: Originally posted by pirate


Puskar bro,

Had you seen the two screen prints I have uploaded in the general picture section, you wouldn't dare to make that statement. In fact, I have unsubscribed twice to be subscribed again at a later date. This is simply irresponsible and a blatant abuse of my email id.
I'd also disagree with your claim that he is proactive. I would rather call him a segregation specialist...trying to segregate Nepal from the US heartland.
He is a hypo...blogging from NY for the masses in Terai who probably don't even know about internet, let alone blogging...And having positive impacts???? If the educated and generally politically docile Sebsers cannot take his ideas, do you think Nepalese in general will agree to his dumb-founded ideas?

Never...so all I want is a paramendra-free email id of mine....


Quote: Originally posted by puskar



i do not see why people are making big deal about paramendra's blog..just unsuscribe




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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
me2 11/21/2006 6:00:13 PM EST
Thanks puskar. I did it.

But what if he adds me again into his mailing list?

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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
jackal 11/21/2006 8:03:34 PM EST
paramendra dai has become a sebs celebrity now
he has become so famous

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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
xdx 11/23/2006 3:54:57 AM EST
I am pleased that SEBS is addressing the issue. Like some people pointed before, i unsuscribed to the sites, but it didnt stop me from receiving the emails. I even blocked the email address, but still received emails from some other email address. Hence, I was pissed and started the topic, as I believe that the information listed in the site should not be misused.
I still have my profile, and am not deleting it, as I want the people who want to contact me to have a way to reach me.
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madhesi shit
me 12/14/2006 10:18:56 PM EST
well is this madhesi nepal guy dhoti?
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Re: Sick of receiving Madhesi newsletter and Bhagat's blog shit
puru 12/16/2006 8:33:54 AM EST
i am also sick of receivig this craps ..... they both shud be hanged till death.......... track him guys i will reap his ass off ....


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